MASSIVE changes incoming to ALL talent trees!

[daviddoran]

This is great news. Talent trees have gotten way too big, and so many talents were just filler. It seems they have pruned every worthless talent, and rather than give us an overabundance of talent points, they just scale them down. It's the same stuff as before, but less diluted. This also lets them have more control over hybrid specs that they do not want (i.e. elemental shamans dual wielding, and getting a lot of extra spellpower from flametongue and weapon enchant.) Great news IMO.

[Solon]

My accounts have been cancelled. I'll fiddle a bit until they run out, then I'll just be watching you guys until it's safe to play again. This big of a change will probably mean a ton of patch, FoTM, patch, FoTM cycles. Thanks for the info, and all your opinions. See ya!

[Slats]

I love these changes.

You think you have choice now but you dont. Whats a ret paladin without divine storm and crusader strike? What makes an ele shaman all that different from resto other than a slight change in cast time and thunderstorm / earth shield?

To be Prot - truely be a prot pally you need to go all the way up and get holy shield and hammer of the righteous. Now you can feel like the class you are at level 10 and not at level SEVENTY or SIXTY.

This means they can REALLY balance a specialization and not balance TALENTS. Its their game design, they WANT disc priests using penance as part of their playstyle. They expect enhance to Dual Wield etc.

You see so many shit players who have no fucking clue what they are doing with their talents. I bet 80% of players goto Elitist Jerks and use the first talent build for raiding they can find. I would rather have a more empowered lower common player who is given more hints and clues on what Blizzard envisioned the playstyle of that class to be than some hunter running around wearing spell power gear or thinking he is a melee character.

I am very very keen on these changes and the reduction in boring talents. WHy do I want to spend 5 levels getting 5% to hit at level 35 or something. These changes plus quest changes will probably see me rolling new teams again and enjoying the game afresh.

[Owltoid]

I guess I just don't give a sh*t about leveling. It's a means to an end. I hope they didn't screw up endgame just to make leveling less painful.

[Bot]

Sometimes, just sometimes, we make arguments like "that's retarded" more as a literary device to express a particularly concerning angle or more than might be obvious in written text, rather than as online confirmation that we're actually smashing mirrors in our Mom's basement and selling our WoW-themed big wheel and action figure sets in a fit of pique.

haha i know most of yall arent truly spazzing out i just hate to see all the negativity when we all know its gonna be ok in the end

[Elektroz]

The talent changes plus mastery system will give us more choice than before and make the game way more balanced. Instead of having to adjust specific talents and stuff, they can just increase the benefit you get from mastery. I think it'll be awesome in the end.

For all of you who are worried about losing options and customization, you aren't losing anything except those mandatory +hit, +haste, +crit, +range, -cast time talents. If you look at even the most extraneous talent specs that you come up with for raids or 5 man etc, you're still taking many of the same talents. Even a restokin and a resto druid are taking some of the same "mandatory" talents. And it's not like they're just taking those talents and keeping the extras the same anyway. I'm sure we'll say bye to many talents and abilities we have now, and welcome with open arms new talents with new abilities more suited for that specific tree.

It reminds me of that show Hoarders. You probably only use a few objects on your desk, but you like to keep a bunch of random things because one day you might need them. It's just an illusion, you don't have more choice simply because you have more options. You just feel less anxious when you don't feel as confined. Like when you keep all your receipts because one day in the future, you think that you will be arrested and questioned for murder, and you then can say, "wait, I purchased a 50c donut at dunkin donuts on July 14th, 1993 at 8:42 a.m., therefore I could not have murdered this man."

[Souca]

haha i know most of yall arent truly spazzing out i just hate to see all the negativity when we all know its gonna be ok in the end

But we don't. We hope it will be okay in the end, but that could just be wishful thinking. I don't think the sky is falling, but to turn around and say that everything will be great without fail is just as naive. It remains to be seen if the game will be better or worse. Chances are that even when the game is released people will disagree if it is good or bad. Either opinion is valid.

- Souca -

[Mokoi]

Naysayers need to chill out or go vent on wow.com's forums.

Opinions are unsubstantiated by ANYONE at this point and should not be taken as gospel.

I don't know many people who don't follow a cookie-cutter build for at LEAST 80% of their talents... that's what this is aimed to remove, by just giving you the mastery bonuses of those talents and letting you choose the coolest ones you want for your talent spec.

What it also means, is that the final 31pt talents will be good, and I would imagine necessary for your spec. No, you cant spec into blood / unholy as a DK anymore, or resto / Boomkin anymore, but they are addressing the issues, and you need to stfu until they are released and there's more info out there.

If you want to nerd rage and quit the game NOW, at the first sight of these new changes, after however many countless hours invested, then you need to just go rant in the wow forums where you MAY even get a response from a blue and leave your negativity to them.

I come here to hear constructive debates of news and events, not to hear your silly undeserved opinions run rampant.

[Iru]

sometimes, just sometimes, we make arguments like "that's retarded" more as a literary device to express a particularly concerning angle or more than might be obvious in written text, rather than as online confirmation that we're actually smashing mirrors in our mom's basement and selling our wow-themed big wheel and action figure sets in a fit of pique.

win

[MiRai]

Naysayers need to chill out or go vent on wow.com's forums.

Opinions are unsubstantiated by ANYONE at this point and should not be taken as gospel.

I don't know many people who don't follow a cookie-cutter build for at LEAST 80% of their talents... that's what this is aimed to remove, by just giving you the mastery bonuses of those talents and letting you choose the coolest ones you want for your talent spec.

What it also means, is that the final 31pt talents will be good, and I would imagine necessary for your spec. No, you cant spec into blood / unholy as a DK anymore, or resto / Boomkin anymore, but they are addressing the issues, and you need to stfu until they are released and there's more info out there.

If you want to nerd rage and quit the game NOW, at the first sight of these new changes, after however many countless hours invested, then you need to just go rant in the wow forums where you MAY even get a response from a blue and leave your negativity to them.

I come here to hear constructive debates of news and events, not to hear your silly undeserved opinions run rampant.

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