MASSIVE changes incoming to ALL talent trees!

[Powerwar]

Not a big deal. Until the expansion comes out any speculation about talents is just that... a speculation.

I guess they are trying to make the game fun to play at lower levels where it lacks severely at the moment and new people just don't continue after lvl 10 and go to other MMOs.

[Bot]

I never understood the viewpoint of not being negative on a proposed idea until you see how it pans out. What is a discussion forum for in the first place if you don't sometime have opposing viewpoints?

i hope you see the contradiction in that

im not saying you cant have youre viewpoint. but what kinda discussion would it be if all viewpoints were negative? about the same kind as if they were all positive. theres not much of a way to have one thread showcasing both opinions without each side feeling like arguing their point.

personally im neither for nor against the talent change. my previous posts may have given the impression that i like it but in reality ive never payed much attention to my talents. if i didnt have a talent tree and was just given spells based on a one tier specialization option id be stoked. so go figure. i just have a fondness for playing devils advocate

[moosejaw]

I do plan on leveling up some goblins or emo-wolves when the expac hits. I want to know if dual talent is going to moved to a different level or if they will modify it.

For a bigger picture on this whole thing..... Ever since Greg Street moved into his current position, he has been saying he wanted to simplify things. This is just another step in that evolution of simplification. It makes it easier for them to balance the classes and design encounters around it.

I am waiting until patch 4.0 to do any complaining and then patch 4.1 will be the first big re-balance patch. I am more disappointed in the guild achievements getting canned than I am about this.

[Knytestorme]

I'll wait and see what comes from the next build before I be-moan these changes. Yes I have some concerns but I'll wait until I see the initial implementation before I get upset about them.

I do know though that I'm happy they announced the changes now as it means I am going to hold off on returning to fulltime boxing and new teams until the changes are live with patch 4.0

[Tonuss]

Sounds about right. Its a whole new game coming.

I think that this might be the smartest thing that they are doing. I don't know if it will work for me, because having a bunch of level 70s and 80s, this means that their entire play style and experience is being changed pretty dramatically.

But the game is five years old, and the old world is generally abandoned. It's just a stepping stone on your way to getting to 80 as soon as you can. That makes it more difficult for new players and people trying the game out. Rebuilding the game from the ground up makes it a new experience for veteran players, as well as making it accessible and populated for newbies. It also lets them take all of the lessons they've learned from day one and apply it without having to wait for WOW 2.

I'm a bit concerned about how this will change the gaming experience for my high-level characters, but I'm also pretty excited about leveling up new characters again.

[Multibocks]

This is a funny thread. You know this game has changed a lot in it's five years and since the beginning of boxing we've had to adapt. I haven't seen so many people upset about something they haven't even tried. Learn to adapt or quit, stop being so sensitive.

[Owltoid]

This thread is full of "I'm pessimistic about these changes, but will wait to see before cancelling." It's also apparently filled with Blizzard fanbois who don't like anything negative said.

Let's hope we can get back to discussing the games, whether stating optimistic or pessimistic viewpoints, and stop talking about if others have a right to have a viewpoint.

[Owltoid]

i hope you see the contradiction in that

I understand what you're getting at, but don't agree it's a contradiction. I'm fine with others having opposing viewpoints about what we're discussing. I've stated multiple times in this thread that I understand why Blizzard is doing what it's doing, but it may not be the best choice for me.

I have a problem with others attacking others because they're having a viewpoint. If this was a discussion forum about how people should discuss topics, then their posts would be spot on. However, it's a discussion about video games. If people want to be doom and gloom about things, then let them! There's been a ton of hate lately, mostly from a couple posters... not sure why, but I guess this forum is evoloving from supportive to competitive. Discuss video games, not how others should react to news.

[Fat Tire]

I never understood the viewpoint of not being negative on a proposed idea until you see how it pans out.

Real ID says Hi!


I agree with your last two posts though. I cant express an opinion about the game at all here anymore.

[Owltoid]

Real ID says Hi!

Exactly my point. People were negative on RealID before it came out even though they hadn't seen the final implementation.

Granted, Cataclysm is a bit different since with RealID people could easily guess the results, whereas Cataclysm has lots of unknowns... but guessing about those unknowns, including making statement of "if it's this way then I'll likely react that way" is part of the fun. Otherwise why bother reading the news release anyway if you're not going to have any reaction until the final details are known?