DK/Ret Cataclysm PVP Talent Discussion

[Shodokan]

What are you guys thinking? It seems really hard to be purely utility now... But this is what i've come up with.

Death Knight
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=3Ej7Q7G8xKAYUy.9gq.deathknight
Pros
Bone armor (defensive cooldown)
On A Pale Horse (anti-stun/fear reduction)
Abom Might
Rune Tap
Anti-Magic Zone
Desecration
Scourge Strike
14% extra damage done by holy damage from ebon plaguebringer
Pet Stun

Cons
No lichborne
no hungering cold
no chibilians
less reach on chains of ice.


Paladin
Paladin 1: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=doG5ksk5tU3Gx1.9gq.paladin
Paladin 2: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=dq-UiXx1ISC8.9gq.paladin
Paladin 3 & 4: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=dqez26MumAFwkE.9gq.paladin

12% more healing is A LOT, it also gives 12% more damage for holy shock

LMK what you think so far.

[remanz]

can't access the link somehow.

I assume you don't have 20% haste buff anymore (or does dk still have it for cata). As for paladins, I heard DS getting nerfed, and give an interrupt to compensate. (BE din doesn't want it lol).

I like the DK side of things. What I don't like, is that all the defensive abilities will get pull to blood talent tree. So we probably don't have this hybrid spec where the DK buff a lot and still be able to tank (soak) damage.

[Shodokan]

can't access the link somehow.

I assume you don't have 20% haste buff anymore (or does dk still have it for cata). As for paladins, I heard DS getting nerfed, and give an interrupt to compensate. (BE din doesn't want it lol).

I like the DK side of things. What I don't like, is that all the defensive abilities will get pull to blood talent tree. So we probably don't have this hybrid spec where the DK buff a lot and still be able to tank (soak) damage.

The links work.

[remanz]

somehow it wasn't working when i first click on it.

It is now. anyhow, I don't think you need Epimedic for longer disease duration. Do need Death Grip reduced CD. Other stuff looks ok to me. I actually did try this similar spec blood + unholy as well as frost + unholy for DK at lvl 80. The offense is good and all. But I feel like my DK dying a lot more without Death Strike. So I keep going back to improved Death Strike

[Shodokan]

somehow it wasn't working when i first click on it.

It is now. anyhow, I don't think you need Epimedic for longer disease duration. Do need Death Grip reduced CD. Other stuff looks ok to me. I actually did try this similar spec blood + unholy as well as frost + unholy for DK at lvl 80. The offense is good and all. But I feel like my DK dying a lot more without Death Strike. So I keep going back to improved Death Strike

Well, doing so now seems impractical, the dmg from scourge strike and the 13% extra damage for your rets with their extra healing and such is a bit much.

[BrothelMeister]

Im thinking more like this for the DK:

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=xHigyuhio9V...gq.deathknight

The damage from the DK is less important than the damage reduction from the Blood tree imo.

My pally trees will be like this: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-xRuNML-SPVbQ.9gq.paladin

with 3 points to move around to the various team buffs each one will get individually.

[Firstcow]

For paladins I would go like this:

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=99ImroxrHCHyVP.9gq.paladin

4 points to spare distributed differently for each paladin.
One takes 20% haste.
One takes Imp blessing of might.
The other 2 take whatever.
At least one takes sanct ret.

Note I also took Seal of Command for trash fights in pve or maybe in BGs with lots of people.

[Shodokan]

For paladins I would go like this:

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=99ImroxrHCHyVP.9gq.paladin

4 points to spare distributed differently for each paladin.
One takes 20% haste.
One takes Imp blessing of might.
The other 2 take whatever.
At least one takes sanct ret.

Note I also took Seal of Command for trash fights in pve or maybe in BGs with lots of people.

I think that the extra 6% damage reduction from righteous fury is too good to pass up personally.

[Firstcow]

I think that the extra 6% damage reduction from righteous fury is too good to pass up personally.

Righteous fury is a magic buff which is gone if it gets dispelled and in the middle of the fight there is no time to rebuff.
The 12% increased healing to FoL and holy shock is much much better to spend talens in. That means both dps increase and healing increase.
Also remember all classes become a little sturdier in cata, even cloth classes so more dps will be key.

[Multibocks]

Righteous fury is a magic buff which is gone if it gets dispelled and in the middle of the fight there is no time to rebuff.
The 12% increased healing to FoL and holy shock is much much better to spend talens in. That means both dps increase and healing increase.
Also remember all classes become a little sturdier in cata, even cloth classes so more dps will be key.

Hmm unless it changed in Cataclysm, or I'm retarded, righteous fury is not dispellable.