10boxing (PVE only)

[Bunny]

I have been 5boxing happily for quite some time now and of course I have read a bit about some guys starting to 10 box on these forums. From a strict PvE point of view 10 boxing's only advantage is to do Kara. Having seen a little bit of Kara while playing in my old raiding guild I think it is VERY hard to do any more than that first hunter boss 10 boxing (assuming you have a group suitable for 10boxing with only ranged dps: 3 healers, 2 tanks, 5 range dps).

Now they announced Zul Aman (sp?), a new 10man instance which doubles the usefulness of 10 boxes in PvE and I am beginning to think if I should level another 5box team. I whould level them rather slowly to make good use of rested exp. I think about using the 5 accounts I already have active (later transfering the new chars to new accounts when they actually hit 70) so there is no money investment involved for now.

Does anyone know if bliz plans for more 10 man content or if they are going to focus on 25mans?

Can anyone guess if a 10 boxer will stand any chance in Zul Aman (or any other Kara bosses)?

Does anyone actually have experience 10 boxing PvE and is willing to share his/her views?

What are your thoughts on this?

Sry to crit you with this wall of text but I am killing some time so I can leave work.
Bunny

[Mannyman]

I'm not a 5 or 10 boxer like some here, but I can't see one person doing a 10 man dungeon by himself. Without going insane On some bosses where it's a tank & spank, it could work. But there are fights where there is a lot of movement/kiting/etc required by multiple characters at the same time. You would have to be seriously PRO to work that out. Not to mention how you would sort out and control the necessary multiple classes. I don't think 7 warlocks and 3 priests will cut it.

If you can 10 man Kara by yourself, I'll come out there and lick your balls all day long. :shock:

[Bunny]

If you can 10 man Kara by yourself, I'll come out there and lick your balls all day long. Shocked

I think I'll pass...

But just what I thought: attumen might work but killing moroes for example is just not possible I guess - although I whould like to be wrong on that.

[Xzin]

I see Moroes as doable with my group. 4 frost novas, 4 sheep (?), 2x shackle. Deathcoil.

Your DPS is so high, garrote is a non issue. You need to keep alive for 50 seconds or less to burst him down. Save the PoM pyros, etc until his enrage and I think its doable. With 2 holy priests, stacking renews and 4 VW's.... yeah.

There will be more ten mans and they are likely to be ZG casual.

[Ellay]

There are 4 mobs with Moroes that I would say are twice as hard as any regular trash mob in Kara, you need to lock them down or kill them before taking on Moroes while he is running around spanking the raid. They have special abilities also such as bubble ><

[Shogun]

I see Moroes as doable with my group. 4 frost novas, 4 sheep (?), 2x shackle. Deathcoil.

Your DPS is so high, garrote is a non issue. You need to keep alive for 50 seconds or less to burst him down. Save the PoM pyros, etc until his enrage and I think its doable. With 2 holy priests, stacking renews and 4 VW's.... yeah.

There will be more ten mans and they are likely to be ZG casual.

4 ads, 2 shackles, which using a /focus macro can keep them locked down the whole fight.

Frost nova is viable yes, but you will need someone to tank Moroes while you take out the other 2 ads imo. As for deathcoil, unfortunately most of the mobs in Kara are undead, including Moroes and his ads, meaning fear and deathcoil are useless (apart from self-healing and dmg) in this and most encounters

The problem with TBC Raid bosses is their ability to 1-shot through cloth armor, almost regardless of the HP you're carrying, the VW's might keep em busy for a few seconds, but without an actual tank. Can't wait to be proved wrong on that one though

[Xzin]

4 VWs + CC on the adds + 2 priests chain healing the VWs + 50 seconds of DPS (probably less) = win.

Or at least in theory

Since the adds can be pre targeted and focuses preassigned, that makes things MUCH easier.

Plus, you can setup formations too.

And when Moroes dies, you can run out and the adds despawn.

I see this as being possible. Tricky but possible with 4 locks 4 mages 2 priests. Would be easier with shammys Maybe

Don't underestimate how fast stuff dies with 8x DPSers on it. Especially with all cooldowns up. The encounters are balanced around 3 - 4 DPS/Hybrid classes, 2-3 tanks and 2 - 3 healers.

I don't have to heal sustained - I just have to keep the tanks alive long enough to DPS down Moroes.

But this could all be theory that sounds good and does nothing. No way to know until I finish leveling up and try it.

[Shogun]

Very true, get on with it

[Kurgan]

I wonder, would 2 people who 5 box each be able to take on Kara?

[Shogun]

I wonder, would 2 people who 5 box each be able to take on Kara?

I would still say it would come down to tanks, and some fights that require 6-8 players doing various things in sync might prove challenging at the least. I'm going to try and lvl 4 shamis and a pali as a holy tank, but not necesarily for Kara, just for kicks