Holy Brick Wall Batman!

[Toned]

Flight definitely helped, even though they're still about 7k shy of all 5 getting epic. Now I need to level a pally so I can run some instances...

I love the shamx4 + pal setup but if I was rerolling a tank I'd go with a Dk just for the 13% dmg buff, but that is changing in Cat so really it's looking like Pal 3 sham lock/boonkin will be the new pve group. I probably won't change my main team I use the 4x shams in pvp and 10/25mans

[Myc]

Flight definitely helped, even though they're still about 7k shy of all 5 getting epic. Now I need to level a pally so I can run some instances...

oh man 7k EACH?
gotta work on that I was so happy the second I could get epic flying again.
atleast we can now get mounts at level 20

[Siaea]

No, I'm at about 18k, it's about 25k for 5 mounts/training.

[crowdx]

20k for training if you have rep and go to that factions trainer. I did it last week an Valliance Keep and it was 4k, nice 1k saving

[Moorea]

I apologise, I thought this was a forum, where people could post opinions and have discussions.
It's hard enough making your few first posts on this forum without being trolled or harassed by the elitist people here.

You wonder why people don't like multi boxers, it's because many of them are as rude as you guys.

I hope your happy.

And OP, I apologise for derailing your thread, I didn't realise my post would be taken word for word and out of context.

Sooner you learn about "ignore" feature (click on fursphere; view profile; user list; add to ignore) the happier you'll be on those forums

And to add something somewhat relevant to the thread: 70-80 is a LOT more pain and effort and a lot less fun and fast than 60-70 which is now a breeze... I know I kind of abandoned 2 teams at 72

[Shodokan]

Sooner you learn about "ignore" feature (click on fursphere; view profile; user list; add to ignore) the happier you'll be on those forums

And to add something somewhat relevant to the thread: 70-80 is a LOT more pain and effort and a lot less fun and fast than 60-70 which is now a breeze... I know I kind of abandoned 2 teams at 72

I abandoned my mages at 73 myself.

[Mystic]

It is sort of funny how you forget just how difficult the northrend instances were when you tried them at level or just under level (toon level and gear level both), because once you get over the hump (higher level or much better gear), they become quite easy. This is true for the regular and the heroics.

Leveling via northrend instances is good practice and fair XP (overall, not per hour), but honeslty until you outgear/outlevel them, you are asking for troubles (unless you have a solid mixed team and are very talented with controlling them manually or via lots of clever macroing), and your xp/hr will be abysmal. Stick with questing, and if you have heirloom +XP pieces, you will zoom with questing.

If you insist on instances at level, make one of your toons a dedicated healer, gear him for healing specifically, and learn to heal with him.

Prior to northrend, all my box teams I took through any instance had no issues whatsoever doing them at level, and never needed a dedicated healer. Northrend instances at level this is not the case. You need to outlevel the instance, outgear the instance, or run a dedicated healer with on-level healing gear.

I will say that the four shaman and paladin tank were the easiest comp to take instances at level for me, even without making one of the shaman a dedicated healer. I struggled here and there, ended up making one a dedicated healer, but even with good healing reflexes, macros, etc, it still was less fun than just doing double duty dps and heal with all four shaman, so I switched him back to dps. Without a dedicated healer I could take most instances when I was one or two levels above what most non-boxed teams hit them at. They work so well at dual-duty because the dps gear works well as healing gear, since both specs require +sp. This is not the case with other non-mixed teams. You need two sets of gear.

Next team to take the whole way through was DK + 4 Rets. Northrend instances were definitely a brick wall. I tried UK at 70 and just plain took too much damage. It is not melee team friendly at 70 with normal 70 gear. Without a dedicated healer it was plain tough. I could limp through with a couple deaths every other trash pull, and a few wipes on each boss, but it just wasn't worth it. The Rets healed like crap with dps gear. I tried the dedicated healer thing again, but it's just not my style, so I just quested for gear, and went back when I outleveled/outgeared it a couple of levels. Same thing for heroics.

Now I just hit 70 with my 5x druid team. I steamrolled through all pre-NR instances, with all of them feral, 1 bear and 4 cats. I popped 4xrejuv for trash, or for tough trash or bosses I popped 4xrenew, at the start, and hardly ever had to pop back to caster to refresh them before the fight was over.

I tried UK last night with them, all geared on level, and I struggled through with them all feral (bear+4 cats), again with 4xrenew on tank, then pull, the caster/cat toggling to heal. It works well, but again, this place is not so melee friendly, especially without a dedicated healer. Too much AE/splash damage. I tried making the 4 dps into moonkins, with about 50% healing gear and 50% feral since I wanted to see if it was viable and I had no full sets of healing gear collected. My dps doubled, but I went OOM in a near instant, and got clobbered by the trash that was so simple with the 4xcats. OOM means no dps and no heals with oomkins.

It was very apparent that I forgot again just how tough these are at level without a dedicated healer. So, I threw in the towel on doing the intances at level and am just suffering the questing until I outlevel/outgear them. I'm just not going to pain myself with a dedicated healer when I can just quest instead. It's level 80 that matters anyway.

[kate]

Well, I don't know if you need to outgear them - but they are certainly more challenging at level than other instances are. Going through vanilla was easy, going through BC was only a little harder (learning to handle certain gimmicks), but Northrend has the only instances that routinely resulted in a wipe unless I was really on my toes.

Northrend heroics are still a big challenge to me - even the entry level ones can result in a wipe still as I gear up.

[alcattle]

I am leveling via instances because I am tired of questing and to learn the dungeons. My 1st 2 80 had zero time in any LK dungeon so the struggled, the DK is still behind the curve. Also healing is fun and not that hard as you get to know the classes.
Most DKs are sux Tanks before 80. I know because I am one, but I had one today; 20HP and not Def Capped, went down like a stone even with every heal on him. Pallys were usually the best, some of them healed the group more than I had to.

[Malgor]

This post is a month old, but for me the brick wall is always 70-71. After that you have enough blue gear from quests that you can easily do UK and then Nexus later on. 70-71 seems slow. 72-75 (where I am at now) has gone pretty fast.