Holy Brick Wall Batman!

[Shodokan]

No. You're still 3.3 million XP short of being max level. Which is essentially levels 60-67 according to this.

I could have finished but i got too bored >_>

[Ughmahedhurtz]

It can be done in 219/226 as well, but most people don't consider that "geared" anymore.

Regardless, does it really matter?

In the context of the discussion we were having with the OP as to why hitting 70 and trying to do NR instances felt like hitting a brick wall, yes, it absolutely DOES matter. Giving someone unreasonable expectations on difficulty isn't helpful.

Example: "Sure, it can be done. Hell, I did dungeon x at dungeon_x_required_level - 3!" Not helpful.
Example: "Sure, it can be done. But you'll definitely need tweaked configs and probably the best gear/enchants/consumables/etc. you can find because it isn't an easy task without an honest tank." Helpful.
Example: "Sure, it can be done, but I've yet to see anyone do more than a few specific bosses without outgearing the instance by large amounts (i.e.: rolling Heroic Gundrak in full i219/226+ gear)." More helpful.
Example: "Sure, it can be done. You'll probably need to make sure you spec enough resto for <spell_h> and be sure to get <glyphs of a and b> so you don't run out of mana before the boss dies. Some bosses, like X will give you trouble unless you use strat Y. And you'll need to make sure you're enchanted and use consumables and certain cooldowns to reliably clear that place. And I wouldn't even bother trying to clear instance Z until you're 78 and have one of the good crafted sets or farm up all the blue instance gear you can get first." Most helpful.

Some of the conversations around here lately are starting to resemble the movie UP.

*post*
*conversation*
*point*
*counterpoint*
*alternative*
"SQUIRREL!!!"
...
*continued conversation*

[Fursphere]

It can be done in 219/226 as well, but most people don't consider that "geared" anymore.

Regardless, does it really matter?

Ughmahedhurtz pretty much made my point for me - and much nicer than I would have done.

If you're going ilvl 200 content (meaning, thats what drops there), you're doing it with what it was intended to be done with - because nothing higher was available. (yes, 213 was available to raiders, but that was a narrow crowd when the content was first released). At the same time this means that you started said content with something LOWER than i lvl 200 gear (walk before you can run and all that). So take your i187 geared 5x shaman group into any of the Wrath Heroics and tell me how you do.

Not farming up PvP gear or buying various crafted / BoE epic gear off the AH. Or pugging each toon until you get a good mix of 219/226/232 gear and then going "I FIVE SHAMAN HEROICS!" - because you really didn't. You overgeared it and brute forced it. Kinda like rolling Deadmines at level 40.

Anyway, since you'd rather argue irrelevant points instead of just admitting you're wrong, I'll just say good day to you.

[Maxion]

It appears you guys have taken this a bit out of context.
The original post was talking about northrend instances starting at level 70, not heroics at 80 (though they are possible too, at least some of them right after hitting 80, and more as you get more gear of course).
Hence my post about clearing gundrak at 75, and assorted other single bosses before that, at level.

[Hivetyrant]

I apologise, I thought this was a forum, where people could post opinions and have discussions.
It's hard enough making your few first posts on this forum without being trolled or harassed by the elitist people here.

You wonder why people don't like multi boxers, it's because many of them are as rude as you guys.

I hope your happy.

And OP, I apologise for derailing your thread, I didn't realise my post would be taken word for word and out of context.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I apologise, I thought this was a forum, where people could post opinions and have discussions.
It's hard enough making your few first posts on this forum without being trolled or harassed by the elitist people here.

You wonder why people don't like multi boxers, it's because many of them are as rude as you guys.

I hope your happy.

And OP, I apologise for derailing your thread, I didn't realise my post would be taken word for word and out of context.

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I see your 8-pc ability procced. All you need is [Martyr's Sword of Tragedy] to fall on and you'll have the full set!

[thefunk]

Rather than getting annoyed at some people, look at the context they are saying their point. I agree with fur on this as levelling 70-80 in a weekend is completely unrealistic to a relative newcomer like me. It took me weeks and weeks to level to 80. There seems to be a little showing off to boot which is also not helpful and should be put in context. How did you do it? Did you have heirlooms/bg's/boosting in dungeons etc... So don't get annoyed if you are brought back in line by the experienced boxers here, regardless of their tone of voice.

To the op. I'm dreading hitting northrend, my second team hitting 62 and going really quickly. Good luck

[crowdx]

My 2 cents, if you play for about 4 hours a day you should ding 1 level each day (if you quest 90% of the play time ) .
Shodokan is not someone anyone should gauge their own progress by.

[Shodokan]

Rather than getting annoyed at some people, look at the context they are saying their point. I agree with fur on this as levelling 70-80 in a weekend is completely unrealistic to a relative newcomer like me. It took me weeks and weeks to level to 80. There seems to be a little showing off to boot which is also not helpful and should be put in context. How did you do it? Did you have heirlooms/bg's/boosting in dungeons etc... So don't get annoyed if you are brought back in line by the experienced boxers here, regardless of their tone of voice.

To the op. I'm dreading hitting northrend, my second team hitting 62 and going really quickly. Good luck

Pure questing. Heirloom WG shoulders and weapon along with BOA chest from badges. The amount of EXP from bgs and dungeons isn't close to the EXP per hour you can get from questing, especially if you 1 shot every mob in sight (which you should mostly be doing if you have heirloom gear) It also can depends on group makeup, some quests/dungeons might be annoying for some classes where as for others they are not. An example of this is druids in flight form being able to pick up items like siege bombs for the quest in DB (horde) or the zepplin parts near honor hold etc...

I hit northrend and had no rested whatsoever. Most levels should take between 3 and 4 hours with heirloom gear... some a little longer in places that have annoying collection quests like zuldrak and sholozar basin. But you SHOULD be able to ding 80 before leaving ZD with BOA, and after sholozar otherwise. This was over my 10th time through all these quests though so i knew where to go and what quests to do in what order with no help from guides or addons and whatnot. The major time saver is flight form... without it you can take forever to do some of the areas. My shaman were taking close to twice as long per level as my rets/dk are.

Regarding the "newcomer" part... without having the perks of already having 80s yes boxing to 80 cannot be done in a weekend. There isn't enough time in the day to be able to do that. But with heirlooms and regular flying you should be able to do 10 levels in 30 to 50 hours. So i mean it is very possible to do, but point of fact is that many people who multi-box do it because of the freedom it brings. Most seem to have a family, a job or something else they spend time on. Most people cannot afford to or simply do not wish to put 30 to 40 hours into WoW in a three day period. Not to mention that questing for 30 to 40 hours can give you WoW burnout hardcore.

[kate]

I did a bit of reframing of the idea of what "progress" means in order to not feel like I'm being stupidly slow when leveling up.

My 5x paladin team is the first *real* multiboxing team I've made, and I wanted it to be as much of a learning experience as possible: I rolled on a new server, no heirloom gear or other help, no RAF, and instead of questing to level I primarily (90% or so) did instance runs. They hit level 70 this weekend, are about 2/3rds of the way to 71, and I think my /played is something around 8.5 days (each, of course) when my best time to 80 (with one character) was a little over 4.5 /played.

But what helps me feel like I'm making progress even when I'm going so slowly is:

- Learning dungeons I either hadn't done in a LONG time or never did at all
- Timing my dungeon runs and seeing how I get quicker/survive more easily in fights as I figure them out
- Not using wowhead or other sources to figure out strategies for dealing with bosses, but just learning the fights I didn't already know
- Figuring out novel ways to abuse the fact that I am running 5 perfectly synchronized members of the same class, because in some ways it's VASTLY outperforming teams that are comprised of individual players from different classes

These are the things that I have fun with in WoW - so for me, the fact that my time to level is so long is totally OK because I'm enjoying it. I'll also enjoy my next team - how quickly will I be able to get people to the level cap when I have heirloom gear & funding & also know all the slow spots where I wasted a LOT of time. And the team after that - I'm going to do only questing to level up (including dungeon runs necessary to finish quests, of course).

tl;dr version - enjoy the trip AND the destination, find a way to make the process of leveling fun