5 Prot Paladins?

[remanz]

Let's keep it on topic, guys

OT: Mokoi seems to be getting it, I'm not sure [obviously I need to spend more time researching] what the Proc rate or PPM is on GC, but it does proc A LOT. I mean I was just doing UK today on my 70 pally and on some pulls its literraly just HotR -> AS repeat. And the really nice thing imo about prots is the fact that WoG can't really be "wasted" as all overheal turns into a shield. I personally love Prot, and by that alone I think I will try out the 5x prot. But on another point, the big reason I wanted to try this was because of how borked DS was, but now with the removal of the HP requirement, It will be easier to model Ret DS healing than before. If I'm not mistaken, that is the primary strength in Ret.

I have a question for you Mokoi: Are you using round robin DG? And is the survivability as nuts as I'm imagining?

The closer we got to cata. The worse it looks for prod. The damage at level 85 is really not that good with prodin. What you see at level 70 is not the same as at level 80, let alone level 85. The defense on the other hand is always there. And obviously, vs melee, you win. Key is always, has always been, the wizards. And I said this many times already, no cleanse, 1 mage + 1 healer can kite you to no end. Your dps period goes as long as freedom up time. When you engage, the battle starts at 40 yard, not from melee. You throw the shield dazed him, you still don't have a distance closer. You have to run. At least Rets have repen and run 15% faster.

As for Rets, DS was indeed one of the primiary str of Rets. The attack + auto heal was OP. Whats also OP is sacred shield, cleanse, and divine sacrifice. lost all 3.

edit: just to give you an idea on the damage. After some fine tuning with my holy power management, For retribution, I can get About 6.5k-7k dps on a target dummy with all CD used. This is in all pvp gear. For protection, same gear, I swap the 1h + shield. My DPS drops to 4k with wings open. The prod damage goes up when being hit. (tanking). When you are in the assult/lock down mode, the damage is not that high.

[Vasyl]

Thanks for the feedback Remanz.

You made some good points. I never played high level Paladin before, so I wasn't aware of those kinds of nerfs. What a shame! Where do we go now? Anyone tried 5 shockadin? This was another combo I was curious about. I have not given it a chance yet, but from what I hear Paladins out there are getting their exorcisms down to like 1 second casts which is just retarded.

[remanz]

Well. I whined Sooooo hard about no cleanse. And blizzard heard my call!

http://wowtal.com/#k=ff3.a7t.paladin.

Look at retribution's "Art of Sacrifice" Talent.

"You cleanse will remove one movement impairing effect if cast on yourself"


Back in the game again if this stays.

[BrothelMeister]

As far as I see, 4 rets+ DK will be immune to snares completely. Cleanse removes any snares from the ret, and each ret can take turns popping Hand of freedom on the DK.