10 box ICC

[Darm]

Oh, didn't know Pitbull 3.0 still worked. That's very helpful, thank you!

If I find something else that also has cast bars for the raid, I'll give a shout.

[Sly]

amazing.. what is your setup? hardware? do you have multiple keyboards/n52's to control characters individually?

And how do you handle healing?

[Theradin]

Oh, didn't know Pitbull 3.0 still worked. That's very helpful, thank you!

If I find something else that also has cast bars for the raid, I'll give a shout.

Thanks, I'd appreciate hearing about other people's experiences with the different raid frames and knowing what else is out there.

[Theradin]

amazing.. what is your setup? hardware? do you have multiple keyboards/n52's to control characters individually?

And how do you handle healing?

I run on two computers, a quad core and dual-core, with a pair of 28" monitors. I use a Wolfking Warrior for input with just about every key bound to something useful, and then I use software to send key presses between computers.

With the Wolfking Warrior in mind, my priest bindings are as follows:

4 - 7: heal party 1 members
alt4 - alt7: heal party 2 members
b: priest 1 heal tank 1
altb: priest 2 heal tank 1
o: priest 1 heal tank 2
altb: priest 2 heal tank 2
F1: Divine Hymn
F2: Shadow fiends
.: holy nova
shift.: prayer of healing
shift,: circle of healing

And then for specific encounters some of the bindings will vary a bit, depending on what I need. This probably isn't optimal, and there are several improvements I could make, but I've been a bit lazy about making those improvements. Mostly I get by with raw AoE healing, which a priest pair excels at.

[zenga]

so mind giving us an update? progressed any further through icc? (a boxer solo'ing rotface would be insane )

[Myc]

im late but

D=
amazing.

(would like to see more also)

[Darm]

Thanks, I'd appreciate hearing about other people's experiences with the different raid frames and knowing what else is out there.

Thanks, I'd appreciate hearing about other people's experiences with the different raid frames and knowing what else is out there.

Well, I'm trying to make the transition from 5-man to 10-man. It's required a lot more thinking, which probably isn't a surpise to you.

I've taken a look at Pitbull 4,Pitbull 3.0, Ag_Unit Frames, X-Perl, Perl, Vuhdo and Grid.

1) Raid Casting Frames

The only addon of any of those listed that has a casting bars for your raid members is Pitbull 3. I like having this ability since it gives me a quick idea if all of my other toons are actually doing something useful. Of course, if a toon is casting an instant spell or using melee attacks that is not going to show up on these raid frames. Nevertheless, it's a quick way of monitoring

2) Raid targets

Again, Pitbull 3 is the only addon of those listed that can show you the individual targets that the other raid members have. Again, this is important for monitoring what your other toons are doing.

3) Healer friendliness

Perl doesn't really have raid frames, but the others do. In my opinion, X-perl, Ag_UF, Pitbull 4.0, and Pitbull 3.0 are all about the same as far as how healer friendly they can be. They all work well with Clique. They each allow for a fair amount of customization and perhaps X-perl might be the most "out of the box" ready for most raid healers, but again it doesn't have those very important features that I listed above.

4) Healer friendliness, part II -- Grid and Vuhdo

Each of these all you to have a bit more granular control on how your raid frames appears regarding buffs, heals, debuff, etcs. Vuhdo is probably a little more userfriendly in this regard. Grid is probably the least user friendly to setup but you can really tailor it to your specific needs.

5) Too much information problem

It is very easy for all of these raid addons to display too much information. The player's attention is the premium resource when you're 10-boxing, and there is some information that you don't need to know. X-Perl, Ag_Unit Frames, Pitbull 4 and Pitbull 3, can all fall into this camp and show you buffs and debuffs on your party members that is either a) not that important to know or even worse, b) outright distracting. With those addons, you do have the option to turn buffs or debuffs off whole-sale.

This is where Grid shines because you can fine tune which buffs and debuffs you want to know about. Vuhdo can do this too, to a slightly less degree.


So, what do I tend to do --



I tend to run two raid frames. I'll run Grid and usally keep that near the center of my screen so it is easiest for me to tell who is low on health, who needs a decurse etc. It's footprint can be made the smallest of all the raid frames without sacrificing readability or interpretability. After you get used to interpreting it's system of colored dots, you can react to it faster than any other raid frame in my opinion.

Then at the very bottom of my screen, I'll have Perl raid frames running with raid targets displayed. I don't need to scan this with my eyes as frequently as I need to see Grid, but just every now and then need to flick my eyes down there to make sure the DPS toons are on the right target and appropriate casting is happening.

[zenga]

darm, is it possible to include a screenshot of your main window in action?

[Mercurio]

Thanks for the review of what's out there Darm. I loaded up Vuhdu a few hours before I attempted Marrowgar and it was really helpful in that encounter. I'm amazed Theradin does all his healing with bound keys.

So I just run Vuhdu on my priest and Xperl on everyone else. Works for one boss, dunno if I'll have to change for the other ICC bosses - if work ever lets me stay home for more than a day I'll be able to try more out

[Darm]

darm, is it possible to include a screenshot of your main window in action?

As soon as I wrote that message I became dissatisfied with my current setup. I'm rebuilding things, so I'll post something again soon.

It probably won't be pretty though.