I hate HoR

[jimbobobb]

How can you do group heal when your toons are all over the place? IWT works to get them back, if they are not stuck behind something. But while they are running back they don't dps. And they still need to heal. Next fear their health even drops more. Not to mention about the debuff. If this guy is a tank/spank fight, then i'm elvis presley.

The waves are a joke for me. Cause it's every time the same. The first boss requires a good amount of luck for a boxer imo (even with cleanse, interrupt & iwt).

Just tap iwt once, and wait the 2 or 3 seconds for your guys to run back and start literally meleeing him - then they are all next to each other for aoe heals once again, and can dps him. If you do not have good aoe heals, then single heal everyone back up. As long as you don't lose your head there should be enough time between the horrifies to do this. Basically you need to have a dedicated healer, and that healer needs to top everyone off between fears.

[zenga]

That's true what you are saying. But it has happened to me that my toons run to either the opposite room, or to the entrance room. Takes longer than 2-3 seconds to run them back. Not to mention that he does that shadow damage aoe. So if you use iwt to get them back you need to move out the once who are too close. And then the debuff can stack up to 75% which makes dps and healing a pain. And in between you have to disspel rhe despair.

My point being: this is for me the most challenging 5 man pve content in the game so far. Even with well geared toons, who can pull 6k+ dps. I've beaten him and it is very possible, but i just totally disagree with you calling it a tank/spank fight since a lot is going on.

[jimbobobb]

I guess my druid just totally spoils me. Basically wg on cooldown is enough to counteract anything that happens with this guy. I would guess priests are the same, and shaman can't be too far off.

Also he does no aoe that I am aware of besides the damage associated with the fear, so simply having everyone in melee range incurs no damage - no reason to move them.

[Lyonheart]

i have been clearing Heroic HoR since the 2nd day it went live. i cleared it almost every day for weeks while farming the OH for my team and I have run all my other 80s through it using my paly.. reto sham..2 eles and whatever alt I'm running through.

There is ZERO luck involved. How? its all been stated in this post, but ill go over exactly what i do.
First I LoS every inc trash, I target a ranged and move all the way into that V niche so I'm am completely out of LoS, if more than one ranged are inc, I target a priest or mage or rifleman ( in that order of priority ). When I can cast avengers shield on the ranged I have targted, it gives me a clue that the whole pack "should" be on top of me. I DO NOT DPS OR HEAL until ALL the adds are right on top of my paly >>this is KEY to not having things get out of control. If you DPS or HEAL too early, the caster adds or the rifleman will stand out in the room and make it hard for you. You can buy time to make sure all the adds are agroed on the tank by timing your HOLY WRATH for right when the last mob ( normally one of the casters ) is on top of you. Holy Wrath and step through, laying another consecration down. rinse and repeat. You can also pop fire eles on the last wave if you need to.

For the first boss I drop magma totems at my feet while the boss is inc.. I pop hero and DPS and tank him on top of my crew, and simply use IWT when he fears.. WHILE I'm FEARED i am spamming CH, so it goes off as soon as the fear breaks..IWT .. tap back arrow to stop and dps..rinse and repeat until he dies.

The main thing is NOT to PANIC! i think most people fail at this place due to PANIC. Take a deep breath, always think ahead a step or two, use all the tools your paly has ( hammer stun.. holy wrath.. even fear in a pinch ) You CAN do it! I know you can!

Disclaimer: This is not advice for non paly tank groups 8) GL to those of you with mixed teams!

[zenga]

lyonheart i agree with the trash. No luck there. You have to stick to the strategy, have enough dps and they go down if you don't screw up. No luck involved here. But the fear from the first boss ... as far as i know you have no conrtol where your slaves are running to like headless chickens. I've had them all over the place, taking ages till they are back. By the time they are healed and dps for a few seconds, next fear is there. And the healing/dps debuff stacks up to 75%. Again it's doable, but it's a small line between wiping or not for me. Maybe racials play a role here? Not sure if the dwarf/undead/human racials can break the fear? I never tried spamming chain heal though during the fear, i usually lose a second or 2 there. Gonna give that a try.

And jimbobobb: " Defiling Horror (Heroic mode) — A blood curdling yell rings out, filling the minds of nearby enemy targets with Horror and dealing 2500 Shadow damage every 1.0 sec. for 4 sec. Instant. As a Horror effect, it is not dispellable, even by Will of the Forsaken or Tremor Totem. 4000 damage per 1 sec on Heroic (4 sec cooldown)".

This was the aoe shadow damage i meant.

[jimbobobb]

lyonheart i agree with the trash. No luck there. You have to stick to the strategy, have enough dps and they go down if you don't screw up. No luck involved here. But the fear from the first boss ... as far as i know you have no conrtol where your slaves are running to like headless chickens. I've had them all over the place, taking ages till they are back. By the time they are healed and dps for a few seconds, next fear is there. And the healing/dps debuff stacks up to 75%. Again it's doable, but it's a small line between wiping or not for me. Maybe racials play a role here? Not sure if the dwarf/undead/human racials can break the fear? I never tried spamming chain heal though during the fear, i usually lose a second or 2 there. Gonna give that a try.

And jimbobobb: " Defiling Horror (Heroic mode) — A blood curdling yell rings out, filling the minds of nearby enemy targets with Horror and dealing 2500 Shadow damage every 1.0 sec. for 4 sec. Instant. As a Horror effect, it is not dispellable, even by Will of the Forsaken or Tremor Totem. 4000 damage per 1 sec on Heroic (4 sec cooldown)".

This was the aoe shadow damage i meant.

yup yup - like I said, he does no aoe damage that's not associated with the fear, so you don't have to move your guys - they can be in melee range. Just use iwt to get all your guys right on top of him for aoe heals/to keep track of your guys, keep your cool, single target heal if you have to, and he really does become a piece of cake.

However, my guys are relatively well geared, and I normally have him down to half or less before he even starts his first fear, so I can see how if you had to deal with like 5 fears, it could get really bad.

eta: Oh yeah, it IS resistable by the way, so make sure you have shadow res aura up, or shadow resistance if you have a priest, gotw, etc etc.

[Lyonheart]

Aye.. the fear does seem to be random.. but as many times as I have done it, I learned to spam my CH until it goes off ( before fear breaks) because every second counts. So as soon as they stop, they are healing the group and back to DPS as fast as possible.

I keep shadow resist up the entire instance.