"Weekly" Update Number 2

[crowdx]

Looks like Arkinventory mod that Sam is using.
As for the gold making, on my server heroics do not make anything like the money the OP is talking about. The enchanting mats market is in the toilet since the Enchant option for loot roll.
The only way I normally can offload certain enchanting mats is to use Vellums to make an enchant from them.

Ualaa, I am at lvl 76 with my Druid, shammies X 3 and Priest and I have the BoA chest and shoulders which made a huge difference. I completely skipped Zul'Drak, only thing I did there was do the Amphitheater of Anguish which actually gave me roughly 25% of a level. Now that I am 76 it feels like the home straight

One last comment of Ret Pallies, previously they were teh worst class in the game, so no guarantee that they will not get nerfed again. We can only wait and see

[Shodokan]

WTF mate? Yeah, fix that but quick. You're not just missing out on a 'little' profit there, you're missing out on 20 freaking percent of it.

They aren't all level 68 or i would.

I should have another group @ 68 tonight, and i might get another group or two there over the weekend.

Also it's cheaper to do the "potions master" and switch to x-mute. The material costs are far lower as doing ring of blood provides the super healing and mana potions. Just have to do BOT to the 2nd boss for the book.


@ my server's prices. Most of my gold (15000 per hour) does not come from that. It's about 10 gems (1100g per uncut) + ~ 200 from LFD tool. And you can easily get 200g from the rest of the stuff.

[Dinazzo]

you all got me all confuse here you saying you making more money from the transmuting in alchemy line and gems i thought came from JC that prospec ore

what are are you transmuting for and what are you selling i guess is my questing i have 5 toons that i got nothign on them as far as proffession goes and if you found a way to make decent gold well i all ears

no i don't want to make more gold then anyone else i just want enough to buy my epic flyers and such and anythign else i need or can use

cheers
Dinazzo

[Shodokan]

you all got me all confuse here you saying you making more money from the transmuting in alchemy line and gems i thought came from JC that prospec ore

what are are you transmuting for and what are you selling i guess is my questing i have 5 toons that i got nothign on them as far as proffession goes and if you found a way to make decent gold well i all ears

no i don't want to make more gold then anyone else i just want enough to buy my epic flyers and such and anythign else i need or can use

cheers
Dinazzo

Materials for blue epic gems cost me 18 gold, they sell for 160. Profit of ~ 140 per.

[Ualaa]

I've got a spreadsheet.

I enter the value per single Bloodstone, Chalcedony, Dark Jade, Huge Citrine, Shadow Crystal and Sun Crystal, which is then multiplied by 0.18 (the chance for each prospected stack of 5 saronite ore to get any of these). 18 x 6, is more then 100, but you can get multiple gems from a single prospect.

I also have the prices for Autumn's Glow, Forest Emerald, Monarch Topaz, Scarlet Ruby, Sky Sapphire and Twilight Opal in the spreadsheet, with these values multiplied by 0.04, and the everything totaled.

So, assuming I am only selling the lesser gems, I know how cheap Saronite has to be for prospecting to be a profit. And assuming I have enough of the higher gems, then I have that value added too (by glancing at another column).

If I'm short on gems (the more expensive ones), prospecting is generally the cheapest route to replace them. So far, a lot of the time I can break even or be down only a little bit even if I disregard the resale value of the gems used in transmutes. So prospecting isn't so much for its own profit, but to greatly reduce the cost of materials for the epic gem transmutes. Actually, if I were to sell everything except Scarlet Rubies (for example), I could say they are free and prospecting is very slightly profitable too.

On my server, at today's prices, stacks of Saronite for 16g13s (81s per single ore) or less are worth buying. Only found a dozen or so auctions at that price. If I'm keeping all of the transmute gems, and only selling the lesser stuff, then stacks of 20's at 10g03s is where prospecting is a profit. Most of the time, its just a cheaper method of getting mats.

[Shodokan]

I've got a spreadsheet.

I enter the value per single Bloodstone, Chalcedony, Dark Jade, Huge Citrine, Shadow Crystal and Sun Crystal, which is then multiplied by 0.18 (the chance for each prospected stack of 5 saronite ore to get any of these). 18 x 6, is more then 100, but you can get multiple gems from a single prospect.

I also have the prices for Autumn's Glow, Forest Emerald, Monarch Topaz, Scarlet Ruby, Sky Sapphire and Twilight Opal in the spreadsheet, with these values multiplied by 0.04, and the everything totaled.

So, assuming I am only selling the lesser gems, I know how cheap Saronite has to be for prospecting to be a profit. And assuming I have enough of the higher gems, then I have that value added too (by glancing at another column).

If I'm short on gems (the more expensive ones), prospecting is generally the cheapest route to replace them. So far, a lot of the time I can break even or be down only a little bit even if I disregard the resale value of the gems used in transmutes. So prospecting isn't so much for its own profit, but to greatly reduce the cost of materials for the epic gem transmutes. Actually, if I were to sell everything except Scarlet Rubies (for example), I could say they are free and prospecting is very slightly profitable too.

On my server, at today's prices, stacks of Saronite for 16g13s (81s per single ore) or less are worth buying. Only found a dozen or so auctions at that price. If I'm keeping all of the transmute gems, and only selling the lesser stuff, then stacks of 20's at 10g03s is where prospecting is a profit. Most of the time, its just a cheaper method of getting mats.

Could i possibly get that spreadsheet?

It is actually more profitable to if gem + 2x crystallized earths < 3.14 gold to make them into rings/amulets with JC. You can go deeper if you want for disenchanting the materials as well.

Also depending on server you can make more profit straight up selling the scarlet rubies (for example they sell for 50g per on my server)

[Ualaa]

It was just a very simple spreadsheet.

Gem names in column A.
Current per 1 value in column B.
Chance to prospect that type of gem in column C (18% or 4%).
Column B x Column C (long term, prospect results) in column D.

Then a few cells which calculate off of values in column D.

Value per 5...
Sum (D8 through D13)
Sum (D15 through D20)
Sum (D8 through D20)
-- Which is basically Prospect Value of a 5-stack of Saronite, if you look at current prices for the Bloodstone-Sun Crystal gems or the Autumn's Glow-Twilight Opal Gems, or total value of all gems.

Then have six more calculations, all based off of the Per 5 calculations.
Per 20, is just x4 of the first set.
Each, is just /5 of the first set.



If you assume, prospecting Saronite with resale of everything except Scarlet Rubies (give them a value of 0 in the spreadsheet), then Scarlet Rubies are frequently free. Although the other gems don't always sell completely without a few listings.

Given 0 material cost for the gems component, the Cardinal Ruby cuts are suddenly very profitable. But paying 75g per Scarlet Ruby (server average), versus 6-9g per other transmute gem, and Cardinal Rubies are the least profitable transmute.

[Shodokan]

It was just a very simple spreadsheet.

Gem names in column A.
Current per 1 value in column B.
Chance to prospect that type of gem in column C (18% or 4%).
Column B x Column C (long term, prospect results) in column D.

Then a few cells which calculate off of values in column D.

Value per 5...
Sum (D8 through D13)
Sum (D15 through D20)
Sum (D8 through D20)
-- Which is basically Prospect Value of a 5-stack of Saronite, if you look at current prices for the Bloodstone-Sun Crystal gems or the Autumn's Glow-Twilight Opal Gems, or total value of all gems.

Then have six more calculations, all based off of the Per 5 calculations.
Per 20, is just x4 of the first set.
Each, is just /5 of the first set.



If you assume, prospecting Saronite with resale of everything except Scarlet Rubies (give them a value of 0 in the spreadsheet), then Scarlet Rubies are frequently free. Although the other gems don't always sell completely without a few listings.

Given 0 material cost for the gems component, the Cardinal Ruby cuts are suddenly very profitable. But paying 75g per Scarlet Ruby (server average), versus 6-9g per other transmute gem, and Cardinal Rubies are the least profitable transmute.

Why not just make the lesser gems, the overall profit is higher if you sell the scarlet rubies and make zircon/ambers.

What i've been doing is as follows.

Buy 100 stacks of ore
Prospect
Turn red/blue/orange/yellow into rings/amulets (green gems)
DE rings/amulets (only do this if the average value is > 3.14 gold)
Cut green/purple/ornage gems into anything for 4.5g each (instead of 3g to vendor or value on ah is about 4g)
Cut green/purple GREEN quality gems into anything and vendor (50 silver each, 1g per peftect)
Sell the scarlet rubies
Save the blue/yellow gems.

I sell/buy at the following prices.

Buy
Eternal life: 9-10g each
Eternal earth: 2-3g each
Eternal air: 8-9g each
Eternal fire: 10-12g each
Saronite: 12-13 gold per stack

Sell
Majestic Zircon: 155
King's Amber: 155
Cardinal Ruby: 180
Scarlet Ruby: 45-55g (depending on what is on the ah)

If you can sell everything to vendor and such, you end up making your three blue type of gems for about 9g each. If you sell the rubies the two other types are basically free. Then your cost per gem ends up being about 10g. For a 145g profit per. Finding buyers for blue/yellow gems is near impossible unless you cut them and wait. The blue/yellow gems sell for about 6g on the ah. So if you were to sell both it would average out the price of rubies to be the same, unless you cut them yourself and list them for the extra 20-30g profit per.

[Dinazzo]

I see seems like that would be a good route to go if you can have 5 or more chars to do transmute and a JC to prospect

i just now hitting that point with my JC and Alchmey on 2 differnt chars so now i do understand what you are doing

i have 5 extra toons one is my BS/Miner 4 are really nothing and i thinking of makeing those 4 into alchemy just for the transmute

5 mutes a day would probly be enough for me

thanks for sharing
cheers
dinazzo

i still trying to figure out a way to make decent money but dailies are getting harder to beat for me

[jinkobi]

Don't buy hilts for ridiculous prices. Just head to Pit of Saron and farm one yourself =)

Got 2 over the weekend farming on and off for a couple of days. Plus you make a decent amount of gold from the drops.

One way I make $$ on the side is I have alts parked at every rare hatchling+black tabby cat all around the game. They always sell and you can make some serious cash easily. I had the market cornered on my server at one point when I was diligently checking every hour but now I'm just going to farm hilts and do it on the side.

Sounds like you have a good plan though. Really in the end how much gold do we really need. I've bought everything I can buy and have nothing left to buy at all. Just saving up for the next money hole that will arise in the next expansion.