It's been a while... Quad Putracide any one?

[Phoenix_King]

Amazing video really do you have anymore stashed away anywhere that I could watch? I currently MT with my prot paladin in a small freind/family guild that still has to pug a person or two on weekends for ICC 10 we are short on members but they are all good players. I only MB occasionally my highest team sting in the 30s for awhile now but after watching this video I think I'm going to start putting a lot more effort into it they agreed that if i got a respectable team to 80 they would do some raids with me.

Starting today I'm either going to keep with my resto druid and 4 warlock team (lv11) or start fresh with shamans,mages, or maybe hunters. If I can llv a team fast enough I might be around to bug you for tips if you don't mind. Thanks again for the video and congratulations on all your success and hard work.

Armory for the lolz

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...etree&cn=Bolan

[Dorffo]

great work and thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts!

[Mercurio]

Nejcha, great work! This is really good stuff and I congratulate you on some pretty big accomplishments.

With that said, it definitely takes some good friends to do this with. I've run ICC10 25 times with random PuGs in the last 3 weeks (playing a single tank, DPS, or healer each time) and I'd say I've got a pretty good feel for what is expected and valued in PuGs, at least on my server.

Here are some thoughts on what typical PuG raiders would think about having 4 boxed shammies in a raid:

1) Being Prepared
In almost all the he PuGs I've been in people are kicked before the 1st boss if they aren't enchanted, gemmed, and flasked. So it is great that you do that, but at least on Kil'Jaeden that wouldn't set you apart.

2) Your Perceived Value
DPS are kind of treated like a dime a dozen. It is always easy to fill DPS slots, so DPSers aren't highly valued. Raiders like to split DPS into casters and melee DPS roughly evenly and you are filling four of the 5-6 DPS slots with casters. Certainly doable, but this severly limits the options of what is left to fill. Most PuGs leaders are also pretty adamant on having almost all the buffs covered. A good portion of the PuGs I've been in have waited for 15 extra minutes spamming in Dalaran to fill the last spot with a certain class and spec just because they'd have a buff that wasn't covered (even with plenty of other well-geared alternatives offering their services). In the 25 PuGs I've run recently there have never been more than two shammies for that reason.

So with you in the group, the raid absolutely has to find at least one melee DPS, probably two (for those of you who don't know, the second boss demands physical DPS for some of the mobs) - not too hard to find but it limits options, two well geared healers (about 40% of the PuGs I've been in have 3 healed, but as shammies you can pick up the slack if needed so that isn't a problem), and two tanks.

In terms of perceived value, your four shammies fill the least valued roles and make putting the rest of the group together a tough task (because everything else is dictated once you join).

3) Loot Coverage
Most raid leaders like to fill a group with classes and specs that cover most of the drops. Disenchanting level 251 items still seems pretty painful to most people. With four DPS shammies you can't really make loot coverage efficient.

4) Inability to React as Well as Four People
Even as skilled as you are, there is no way you can be as effective as four well played toons. None of us can be as boxers. For example, you did a fabulous job in your video - much better than I could have done - but you did take some unnecessary damage that four well played toons would not have taken.

I feel bad about bringing up negatives about this because what you've done is fabulous and none of these are show-stoppers. What I'm trying to do is think through the objections all PuG raid leaders would have if I offered up my services as four DPS in their raids. It would be viewed as a burden on the group for all the other players.

All of these things go out the window when you take the time to form your own group and have understanding people that you raid with. To me, with all the crazies, poor players, and elitists out there your ability to do that is the most impressive thing of all.

[Domineek]

While those are valid points when considering a PuG raid, the difference is Nechja isn't joining a raid, she is the raid leader. True, some iLvl 251 things do get sharded in our 10s, however not a whole goes into the shard pile when people have dual-specs. Also, for our 10man runs, we have a pretty static group of people who have been running together since Naxxramas and some since Black Temple.