ToC & ICC loot drops weighted against the team

[Starbuck_Jones]

Isnt that what the whole emblem system is for? Run ICC 10 man each week, and your daily heroic and weekly raid boss and pull in some 15-30 badges a week. Every other week or so you will have enough emblems to buy a peice of gear. You know, to fill the holes when it doesnt drop.

This week we killed the first ICC wing in 10 and 25 plus the new VoA boss. 9 bosses and not a single tank item dropped. But I did get the weekly raid, 16 boss badges, and the weekly icc quest done so I did walk away with 26 badges this week from ICC. +2 a day from heroics.

I would say that you should look at the loot drops and do some research and use bagdes to fill in where your drops are lacking. For my tank I can get legs off Saurafang and the new VoA boss. Legs are going to be the last thing I buy with badges.

[Kang]

I am just speculating on a loot system that has more individual rewards or at least a better shot at the drops you want. It wouldn't replace the emblems. It would just make loot systems and rolls unnecessary since the loot is individualized.

[Mercurio]

I agree that the current system is rather disheartening at times.

I ran ICC10 three times earlier this week and kept seeing hunter drops. I looked up the boss tables and found that good hunter gear drops off every boss (unlike some other classes/specs, who have no gear dropping off some bosses).

So I ran my hunter through ICC10 today (six bosses) and got no drops, while a rogue got two weapons and a chestpiece.

Even more odd is that what used to be my "main" tank has run ICC10 five times and has gotten nothing, while my "other" tank has run it only twice and has both the tanking weapon and shield.

I understand the need for some randomness in the system, but it really is pretty poor when some people put in tons of time raiding and get nothing over more than a month, then can't get into raid groups because gear score is expected to be higher, while others run once or twice, get 3-6 drops, and everyone drools over their gear score.

The whole gear score elitism makes the bad random streaks that much worse.

At any rate, I wish they would reduce the raid loot tables by about a third, make emblems drop about 50% more than they do, and increase the number of items you can get with emblems. That would keep the unexpected RNG element but be more fair.

[Mac]

It really gets old raiding over time as a druid tank and seeing little to no drops. When something interesting does drop dps wise, even though I have more points, I let it go to the dps because I know it will do them more good then myself with so many dps checks to pass through. So, its just more raid raid raid tank tank tank blah bah blah. We've cleared up to PP in 10m. My last nice loot was the polearm off anub. I'm still waiting to see the staff off fugly, i mean rotface.

Its made me more interested in leveling up my mixed class group again. Pali and Shaman are at ~45 now so its off to strat to boost through there now. Hopefully I will solve some of the problem having the mixed class group: Pali tank: Plate, Holy Priest: heals cloth , Arcane mage: dps cloth, Shaman: mail Druid boom: leather. We'll see how it goes.

I'm still debating on the tank role. I know I wanted a pali in the group who could soak up any plate drops, and palis are op tanks for boxing, but my druid is icc10 tank geared and can take anything that heroics have to throw at him, I might just run my druid as tank till my pali gets geared.

[Ualaa]

Random can be rather un-random seeming.

If you've ever tried counting cards, playing Blackjack...
You keep a running count, which is essentially the number of exposed high cards vs the number of exposed low cards.
Each card is assigned a value, the system I used was K/Q/J/10's (-2), 9's (-1), 2/3/7 (+1), 4/5/6 (+2), A/8 (0)... and a side count on the Aces.
You practice a bunch, until you instantly know the value of single cards, and the combined value of any two or three cards.

Then whatever the running count, you divide this by the number of half decks remaining, to get a "true count".
And you base your playing and betting decisions on the true count.

Depending on the game (rules) you're playing, you might have a statistical advantage at a true count of +2 or more.
But what does that mean.
Let's say at +2, you have half a percentage in your favor.
Assume the true count is +9, which almost never happens... that correlates to 4% in your favor.

With 4% in your favor, in the long run, you'll win 52 in 100 hands, but lose 48 in 100 hands.
Chances are, you'll have a larger bet out, which is good when the deck is favorable like this.
But you'll still lose 48% of the time, even with a monumental percentage in your favor.
That's basically fluctuation.


Well wow boss drops, aren't weighted towards drops which have not occurred recently.
Even when things are weighed in your favor drastically, you won't get the drop/card you want all the time.
So, it is pretty random what drops on a given night.

[Coltimar]

This week I did the ICC instances (normal) when I could. I got 0 tank drops. Week before I ran PoS and FoS once and got 4 tank drops, lol. I won't even get into the 8 months of MC I ran for Sulfuras, only to lose the roll to a Holy Paladin . . .

[Khatovar]

8 months of MC

'nuff said

[Maxion]

This week I did the ICC instances (normal) when I could. I got 0 tank drops. Week before I ran PoS and FoS once and got 4 tank drops, lol. I won't even get into the 8 months of MC I ran for Sulfuras, only to lose the roll to a Holy Paladin . . .

And people wonder why I take the time to farm first boss in kara, tiger and raptor in zg, all of mc, and often bwl by myself every week....

[Catamer]

my fresh 80 alternates wear almost nothing from ICC non-heroic, not because I didn't try. I ran them through enough that I'm sick of the whole place. bosses with a 13 item loot table dropping the same two items 2-3 times in a row. All of my fresh 80 alternates have gear from triumph badges, crafted items or crafted/purchased weapons. There is no point in doing ICC since nothing I can never use drops there. It's 5x the work with 1/10 the reward. screw bliz for making me waste my time there thinking I could gear up quickly. It's easier to buy a hilt from the AH and get a good weapon that way.

[Catamer]

it's funny how many people try to teach me statistics.... look at it this way. if you played lotto and the #1 ball came up every week for 8 weeks. At what point do you start questioning that there is something wrong or do you just go into infinite discussion on how it's perfectly normal for the #1 ball to always drop, in theory it has the same chance to drop each time.

It's a shame I'm not playing lotto because then I could just switch and start using the #1 when I buy a ticket, however I'm not and it's not a case where I saw all of the other items drop except the one I wanted, it's a very limited number of items that drop, some 2-3 items out of the 13 total that boss can drop.