Only Two Hands - How do you do it?

[Greythan]

My god Fur, is it possible for anyone to be a bigger condescending ass than you? Did you really get that picked on while on the playground as a kid? Is it possible for anyone to have had that much sand kicked in one's face to explain your level of dickheadedness?

This is the same guy who got his panties in a bunch during an online conversation via a message board and in a resulting fit of childish spite deleted a ton of the communities content? Seriously?

Grow up. Being the neighborhood bully, even in an online community such as this, should get boring even for the most small minded folks like yourself.

To everyone else, thanks for the respectful dialogue. That is, after all, what its supposed to be all about.

[Fursphere]

You really want help? Ok, I will think for you because you're obviously too block headed to think outside the box.

You state your problem is movement - and you can't "dps and move" - well, most classes can't dps and move at the same time anyway, so thats not really the issue, is it?

You need to be able to independently move your characters WITHOUT re-positioning your tank. Thats the core of the problem. And you can't use the mouse - because you heal with it. Ok, so work around that.

Left Hand
- Movement (WASD, QE for strafe, these six only control my main)

You state you don't like MOVING your main with the mouse, correct? Thats easy. I hate doing that to.

Lets just look at A & D. Those are basic "turn left, turn right" keys, and very slow at that. You probably find yourself using mouselook most of the time anyway.

Rebind these to strafe "alts" left and right. Thats it. Thats the big secret.

Now your left hand can stay basically in the same position its used to. Just use QE to strafe your tank, and AD to strafe your alts. WS stay the same as move tank forward and back.

I use the arrow keys for moving the alts forward and back, and turning them left and right. I rarely have to manually turn them - so the keys our out of the normal keyboard use area. And if you really need to manually turn them - move your right hand quickly over to the arrow keys and do what you need to do, them jump back to your mouse. You can continue DPSing.

Then only other thing I see missing is a "main tank / target of target" heal button(s) on your LEFT hand. Click healing for the alts is great, but most of the time you'll be healing your tank - and that should be "automatic" for you - reflex even. I use T & 5 myself.

Anyway, please continue to demand to be spoon fed. Sometimes you'll get lucky. Sometimes you'll go hungry. I prefer to fetch my own food.

[Greythan]

Fur, you missed the whole point. I don't want anything. I'm not begging for help. Read my initial post. It wasn't some lame appeal for help. I simply was interested in reading what the rest of the community did to deal with moving, dps'ing, and healing all at once. So, I laid out my basic setup for how I handle my toons using the hardware at my disposal.

What did you contribute?

Well, your first post was an attempt at humor. Funny enough and not offensive, but largely not on point. Most of us probably don't use footpedals.

Your second post was a playful bash at mouse region repeating.

Your third post was the condescending bullshit that you normally try to stir up. Even with long time members of the community such as myself.

In your fourth post you finally contributed to the thread's initial purpose. Thanks.

Again I'll say it, grow up. Be nicer. Save the bitterness for those who truly warrant it.

[Fursphere]

Fur, you missed the whole point.

What did you contribute?

Well, your first post was an attempt at humor. Funny enough and not offensive, but largely not on point. Most of us probably don't use footpedals.

You say you have only two hands.

1) - more mouse buttons. thats not bullshit - its the damn truth. you are playing a game that was built for "3" mouse buttons x5. Why not get 5x the mouse buttons? (Naga has 17 in case your curious)
2) - foot pedals. yes, i'm serious. And if you watch ebay you can get some for $15.
3) - Old timers here have seen this concept work. I don't like it personally, but its practical and it may work for you. You just have to try.
4) - Yes, this was humor -

Put your mind to work. (YMMV)

Specifically - THINK. "your millage may very" - IE - if you're not too far gone to think on your own.

And you're comment about "most of us don't use foot pedals" - WHY? Don't have feet? Or are just too stubborn to try something new?

[Gormand]

Im still new to what I would call proper boxing My team is at levels 61-63 only being brought together at level 60-61 and has only done 2 instances so I imagine changes will be made over the coming weeks. But here is my current setup along with some changes I plan to make before I continue
I lead with my DK tank and have my Shamn heals and 3x Hunter DPS following
1 - My have all my followers target my tanks target
2 - My DPS /click button, each hit sets target to current tanks target
3 - My tanking macro
4 - My DPS /click button, with DPS hitting their existing target (Allows me to tank 1 target and DPS another)
5-8 - Tanking buttons, Death Grip, Strangulate etc
Grave key - Interact with target DPS
\ is Interact with target healer
Healing is done on the numpad, this is almost certainly going to change but currently
1-3 Tank heals -healing wave, riptide, chainheal
4-6 DPS Heals, each is a cast sequence of riptide + chain heal
7-9 DPS heals for Healing wave
0 . and + are my healers self heals
I make sure that my DPS are always on my party bars in the same order so I always know which button to hit to heal them.
F7 is totems

So thats how I do all my tanking, DPS and healing, but movement is the main question, well mine could prob improve but ATM
WASD - Tank movement as standard controls, as I use mouse for clicking I can easily right click to strafe and such, also one of my mouse thumb buttons is autorun.
Arrows - Move all the followers, Forward, back, Strafe Left and Right. I realise this makes it hard to move and heal at the same time.
Q - Turns off strobe follow from my tank and on all other toons backs them up, this allows me to hit Q and have all my guys instantly stop following.

I think thats about it, will be interesting to see how it holds up in the future though.

[Slats]

I'm seriously considering foot pedals. One for Vent. One for a modifier key. Not actually have to press the fucking modifier key would really free up my fingers alot.

I also want a big pedal I cant just stamp on that blows all my cooldowns and launches my biggest nukes at an opponent in PvP. I could have a backup voice commander pro where I could scream "DIE MOTHERFUCKERRRRRrrrrr" or some such and it would be beautiful.

Also why are you not using repeater regions Fur? You clearly use Innerspace by your forum image under your avatar? I currently use ShadowUnitFrames, Grid AND Vuhdo. Vuhdo is just for my healer(s).

[boxblizzard]

Fur & Grey,

/popcorn

Personal vandetta's or just for kicks?

dont care, you guys are great but lets keep it cool. i dont have a problem with either of you but watching you argue over something so petty...

Peace it

[Svpernova09]

Fur & Grey,

/popcorn

Personal vandetta's or just for kicks?

dont care, you guys are great but lets keep it cool. i dont have a problem with either of you but watching you argue over something so petty...

Peace it

Fur's motivation is definitely not personal. If you take what Fur says personally, you have bigger issues IRL. That is not to say Fur can't come across as an ass, but really, who can't?

[boxblizzard]

Fur's motivation is definitely not personal. If you take what Fur says personally, you have bigger issues IRL. That is not to say Fur can't come across as an ass, but really, who can't?

cool man, i dont believe or take it personally. same can be said about you believing what i dont believe.

but anyway, back to topic agologies for not being constructive

[genocyde]

I wish I could do a =countIf(all posts, "Use search"). How many times have people posted "Use search" Seriously thats basically what Fur was saying. If you aren't going to come up with your own methods then search other peoples. I can't count how many guides and idea threads have been posted on alternate methods on these forums.

Now, I'm not going to discount that some of this was uncalled for, but Fur's not the only person here that doesn't sugar coat his posts. In all honesty this question can expect similar answers to a high schooler asking his classmates how to walk without tripping, or walk and talk at the same time. Your bound to get some ROFL's and some honest help.

Sometimes asking a simple question like this is a good way to get people to share their new ideas and what not though. I use an n52 and a 10 button mouse. I have setups for movement key passing and mouse driving and others. Can't really find one I like personally, but I'm positive any of the new content can be easily beaten with just strafe keys and auto follow as most of the old raid content was beaten this way and it's quite a bit more involved than the new heroics.

If you're having movement problems on fights like garfrost (giant in pit of saron) for instance you just simply fail at the fight. You should never need more than auto follow on this boss... It's not a movement fight. Maybe analyze your strategies as well as your movement concerns. I simply run the tank 20 yards from the dps and auto follow for a few seconds when he throws a boulder. Auto follow again after the stuns and go clear your debuffs behind a rock... Same with Ick, Devourer, Broham(sp?). All these are explained in their own threads. If you need a new way to move try binding a keymap toggle to pass your movement keys or something.

Sorry, I know this post was less than constructive and someone is bound to pick it apart. But while you do so remember that it's the internet and I'm busy clearing heroics while your doing it.