Paladin Hit Rating

[crowdx]

Hi all,
simple question, how much theat do I lose with my current low hit rating? I have not geared at all to hit but I am now wondering should I try to increase it more to hold threat better? I normally start to lose threat to my destro crits at the end of a mob pull and so wondering can I fix this.
All advice welcome

[remanz]

I don't think hit rating will help you much here.
70% of your threat comes from abilities that cannot miss. Holy Shield, HotR, SotR, JoL and consecrate. Might be just that your locks are over gearing your paladin too much. If anything, expertise should help you more. But I don't think it is worth gemming for it either.


What is your tanking rotation? is this on single target or multi target ? use AV shield on every CD, and all those abliities listed above. With righteous fury on, no way warlock can pull aggro off your paladin with same level of gears.

[crowdx]

The paladin I am referring to is listed in my signature below. I am pretty sure everyone is near level gear but it just seems like Darkpowerz starts to creep up in threat the whole way through the fight even though he is not normally the highest dps in the group.
Very strange

[wowphreak]

The only thing hit rating is really good for a pali is not missing that taunt even then it'd be better to glpyh for it instead.

Yer warlock shouldnt be even coming close to pulling aggro of yer tank.

yeh forget righteous fury?

Whats yer rotation?

are yeh aoeing or single target burn down?

Get rid of the figurine of the colossus its a level 70 item. I would keep lavanthors talisman for a block set

essence gossamer and/or the black heart would be good and there fairly easy to get.

I would gem for def->stam->str if yer over def min the stam->str


I've been using this macro

/use 13
/use 14
/startattack
/cleartarget [dead]
/castsequence reset=combat Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Judgement of Light,Shield of Righteousness,Consecration, Hammer of the Righteous, Holy Shield,Shield of Righteousness,Judgement of Light, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration,Shield of Righteousness

when I pug and there some crack aoe monkeys I start off with conscrate first

There also hand of reckoning it doesnt reset gcd is cheap on mana and does a good chunk of damage beside being a taunt with yer set bonus can be spammed every 6 seconds.

[gitcho]

crowdx brings up a good question - how should you be gemming pallies? My gear is OK now, but I have no idea what to do with yellow slots after I reach the def cap.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...am%C3%A2wesome

What should I be gemming for? Is it worthwhile to skip the slot bonus (on a yellow, for example) and go with a blue +30stam gem?

[remanz]

mostly gem for stam. Stam scales with talent. Scales with BOS buff. of cuz gem for stam~

You only care about socket bonus if the bonus is , well, stam~

[crowdx]

This is my cast sequence (I think I got it here )
/castsequence reset=combat Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, Shield of Righteousness, Judgement of Wisdom
/use 13
/use 14
And yes I do have Righteous Fury on at all times, I also use Kings.

[Zal]

This is my cast sequence (I think I got it here )
/castsequence reset=combat Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, Shield of Righteousness, Judgement of Wisdom
/use 13
/use 14
And yes I do have Righteous Fury on at all times, I also use Kings.

your using the proper rotation. I didn't check your gear or anything but i'm willing to say (if warlock gear > pally) that its just a gear issue.

[Whowantstoknow]

This is my cast sequence (I think I got it here )
/castsequence reset=combat Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, Shield of Righteousness, Judgement of Wisdom
/use 13
/use 14
And yes I do have Righteous Fury on at all times, I also use Kings.

This macro is part of your problem - you will be running into Cooldown clashes as HS will not be ready after you cast JoW.

a full rotation is actully

Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, Shield of Righteousness, Judgement of Wisdom, Hammer of the Righteous, Holy Shield, Shield of Righteousness, Consecration, Hammer of the Righteous, Judgement of Wisdom, Shield of Righteousness,

There is no defacto MH enchant but I would go Mongoose as it has around 50% uptime and provides threat, mitigation and avoidance

Other options

Accuracy (Threat)
Blood Draining (EH)
Blade Ward (Avoidance - this is actually a very poor enchant - only use if you are putting together an avoidance set for say Anub adds)
Potency (mitigation, threat)
Superior Potency (threat)
Agility (threat,avoidance, mitigation)

Proper Gemming

Blue - Stam
Red - Agi/Stam (only enough to activate Meta - try to use in a socket bonus that is stam)
Yellow - Def/Stam (def/stam will always be better than pure stam if the socket bonus is 6 stam or better)
Meta - Stam/armor is your best EH meta so is the one most raiders will use but def/block value is superb for heroics and trash or where threat is a problem (block value increase ShoR damage)

There is no "defense cap" - defense will provide benefits beyond 540 defense (535 for heroics) it should be considered a minimum rather than a cap.

You should never gem parry
You can consider using Str/Stam for a red slot but agi is recognised to be slightly better all round

[Svpernova09]

Proper Gemming

Blue - Stam
Red - Agi/Stam (only enough to activate Meta - try to use in a socket bonus that is stam)
Yellow - Def/Stam (def/stam will always be better than pure stam if the socket bonus is 6 stam or better)
Meta - Stam/armor is your best EH meta so is the one most raiders will use but def/block value is superb for heroics and trash or where threat is a problem (block value increase ShoR damage)

There is no "defense cap" - defense will provide benefits beyond 540 defense (535 for heroics) it should be considered a minimum rather than a cap.

You should never gem parry
You can consider using Str/Stam for a red slot but agi is recognised to be slightly better all round

According to: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37172-p...8/#post1336981 which is a subsection of: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37172-p...wow_3_0_wotlk/

Red
(also orange, purple)

Good
Dodge rating (avoidance)
Parry rating (avoidance)
Agility (avoidance, tiny bit of mitigation, some crit)
Strength (threat, some mitigation)
Expertise rating(some threat, some avoidance)

Bad
Attack Power (always worse than strength)
Spell Power (even worse than attack power)
Armor Penetration Rating (only affects white damage threat and damage, which is tiny)

Red gems can have some useful stats for tanks, but there are no crucial red stats as there are for yellow (defense, hit) or blue (stamina). Strength can be handy for threat generation, but it's secondary in importance to hit, and the block value provided by strength is a fairly inefficient way to boost mitigation. For most tanks (as of the early stages of WotLK anyway), red gems are practically never used, and orange/purple gems are only used to activate socket bonuses.

The numbers for avoidance are nearly identical for AGI / Parry / Dodge, I think gemming for Parry is fine (I'm on the fence for dodge) I think if pure agi was the way to go you'd see A LOT more paladins stacking AGI over Stam. just like you see so many bears going nuts for AGI. Maybe I'm just too deep in the math to make sense of it.