Ugh, so changing Retx4 DK tank comp

[Mosg2]

What's your DPS sequence? How do you have healing setup? What Seal are you using?

I spent 4-5 hours on the training dummies figuring out the best combination of the above that allows me to maintain aggro and do maximum dps.

[Multibocks]

DPS sequence? I assume you mean rets? It's a long castsequence that I pulled from Niley ( I think, may have been someone else, but its the long ret castsequence that EJ forums came up with). Healing is F1-F5 for each character. Rets use SoC, because SoV leaves them low on mana all the time (I use glyph of command for the extra mana). I have to be careful with SoC because it often produces more aggro than my DK can handle.

[remanz]

DPS sequence? I assume you mean rets? It's a long castsequence that I pulled from Niley ( I think, may have been someone else, but its the long ret castsequence that EJ forums came up with). Healing is F1-F5 for each character. Rets use SoC, because SoV leaves them low on mana all the time (I use glyph of command for the extra mana). I have to be careful with SoC because it often produces more aggro than my DK can handle.

hm. Seal of Command not very good for boss fights. Single target damage is low. Running low on mana means healing DK too much ? My gear scores is about 3900-4000 on average now. It finally starts to show. I can zerg down last bosses in heroic now. A good test for PVE gear is Bronjahm in FOS. I used to let him eat like 6 orbs before I can bring him to 30%. Once I geared up a bit, he got only 3 orbs then to 30%.

For bosses, you should use seal of vengance. Keeps using divine plea every chance you get. You should not run out of mana. Glphy SOV too to + 10 expertise. This helped a ton in DPS.

As for polling aggro with paladin, no riteogus fury on pallies, in frost presence, keep dumping runic power with rune strike. They should never poll aggro on single target.

DK is not bad for tanking magic based bosses. And the only melee boss I can think of is the first boss in HOL. Other bosses all have some form of magical attack.


edit: Actually, if you are using consecration and exorcism on every CD, adding healing, you will be out of mana. So use SOV, and put consecration on manual. Rets are not designed to max out dps and be able to heal a ton too. Only use consecration when you have mana to spare.

[Multibocks]

Yes I am aware how to tank on DK/Pallies. I research EJ all the time for what I should be using and when. However you did provide a good suggestion I never thought of and that is removing consecrate from the castsequence. That should save a crapton of mana and not affect dps too much. I'll have to try that. Oh and I do use SoV for bosses, its just not glyphed. If I was raiding I would worry about the expertise bonus, but bosses in heroics are only +2 levels and their dodge isnt as huge as a raid boss. Plus there are some bosses where SoC is actually helpful (any boss that summons adds).

[Mosg2]

...

I just don't understand where the gap is between our experiences. I *never* run out of mana and my /click includes Consecration fairly early in the rotation. Are you using the glyph for SoC?

On the aggro issue: My Rets are not dual specced so only two of them have the full -30% aggro talent. All of my abilities for the DK are macros that hit Rune Strike so I never miss an opportunity for it... And they still pull aggro pretty regularly. /shrug

I'm not trying to sound condescending--We're just experiencing polar opposites of the spectrum and trying to figure it out is confusing

[Drommon]

...

I just don't understand where the gap is between our experiences. I *never* run out of mana and my /click includes Consecration fairly early in the rotation. Are you using the glyph for SoC?

On the aggro issue: My Rets are not dual specced so only two of them have the full -30% aggro talent. All of my abilities for the DK are macros that hit Rune Strike so I never miss an opportunity for it... And they still pull aggro pretty regularly. /shrug

I'm not trying to sound condescending--We're just experiencing polar opposites of the spectrum and trying to figure it out is confusing

I am just curious what your rotation is and what your macros look like. Care to post please?

[Multibocks]

...

I just don't understand where the gap is between our experiences. I *never* run out of mana and my /click includes Consecration fairly early in the rotation. Are you using the glyph for SoC?

On the aggro issue: My Rets are not dual specced so only two of them have the full -30% aggro talent. All of my abilities for the DK are macros that hit Rune Strike so I never miss an opportunity for it... And they still pull aggro pretty regularly. /shrug

I'm not trying to sound condescending--We're just experiencing polar opposites of the spectrum and trying to figure it out is confusing

Uhm thats just it, I do use the glyph for SoC (which means their dps is lower on bosses than if they used the SoV glyph). Before I used to have mana problems, but I switched to SoC glyph so now I dont. However if I were to go back to using SoV I could save mana by not using consecration. Aggro is a different beast, my finger is always hovering over the tab button (for mobs that I am not targetting) and mouse button is always over the taunt button. It works, but its a hell of a lot more work than my paladin tank ever had to do.

[Mosg2]

No I agree, the DK *definitely* takes much more micromanagement than the other tanks. What I like about the Ret team though is that they don't, in my experience, take much micromanagement. A simple /click gives you basically the same DPS an individual player would--And in many cases more. In any case, here are my macros for the Rets and the DK:

The Main macro--Plague Strike, Icy Touch, Death Strike, Pestilence, and Blood Boil all key this. It goes in rotation:
Judgement
Crusader Strike
Divine Storm
Consecrate
Exorcism

I was able to get the same DPS out of putting Consecrate after Judge but they would frequently drop it out of range of where the pack would be. I prefer this setup.

For the DK:
I usually Death Grip and drop Death and Decay at the same time. Then Icy Touch and Pestilence--Anymore, if I try and Plague Strike first the mob dies and then I'm out of Frost runes and nothing has Frost Fever... So no 20% haste for everyone. Second target usually dies too fast for me to get Plague Strike and Pestilence but I always try. The next set of Frost/Unholy go for Death Striking and I alternate Blood Boil and Pestilence. As I said, all of the DK attacks have Rune Strike in the macro. When I have excess Runic Power I'll Death Coil.

[Multibocks]

I read someone has three dps keys for their rets and Im wondering how it works. One dps key uses AoW procs for healing tank, next dps key uses AoW procs for self heals and third uses AoW for exorcism. I know how to create castsequences, but this has me scratching my head. How do you get a new target mid castsequence? My only guess is he is using different click sequences. Not sure though.

[Talos]

I read someone has three dps keys for their rets and Im wondering how it works. One dps key uses AoW procs for healing tank, next dps key uses AoW procs for self heals and third uses AoW for exorcism. I know how to create castsequences, but this has me scratching my head. How do you get a new target mid castsequence? My only guess is he is using different click sequences. Not sure though.

Yes mate im using different clickmacros:
Check out my reply in the other thread
http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthrea...882#post255882