4 shamans vs. 5 warlocks

[grey_fox]

I' m aware of his gear, after all I only wanted proof whetever or not it is possible to do heroics without a "real" tank in the team.

[Ualaa]

With a 5x Shaman team, I would recommend Wintergrasp at least twice a week, once on server reset (hard reset of quests) and once four days later (soft reset of quests).

Combine this with 10 arena games a week, purely for the points.

And a ton of battlegrounds, for the honor based gear.

I'm not sure the point where you can do heroics, with 5x Shaman.
Pets get your resilience now, which will be a huge help.
You will have 5x Earth Elementals available.
Fire Elementals have a glyph for much shorter re-use, not sure on the Earth Elementals.

Still, the majority of heroics were based on being a relatively undergeared 80th.
And you can get much better gear now, with enough time gearing up.
And then run (outgear) many of the heroics, which gets you badge gear too.
I don't see a non-tank team doing the newer heroics, but there are many which will be possible.

[Shodokan]

He VASTLY overgears the instances. That isnt a shaman in blues you see wrecking the place. You will need either, badass pve gear or some good pvp gear (more stamina) to survive.

In that video the shaman are not even in full t7... mostly heroism badge gear. He does not VASTLY outgear the instances. He is overgeared, but it's nothing like being in full t9. For example you can plainly see that the shaman are using badge shields and either the mace from heroic nexus or the titansteel one. Compare those to what you can get now? Heroic HoR gets you something as good as ALGALON drops (offhand), and battered hilts are better than the legendary mace from ulduar...

Playing 5 shaman takes a lot of skill for heroics as far as healing goes in my opinion...but it can be done. It's much easier with a paladin tank with as much mitigation possibilities as they have for such (shield block reducing damage taken etc) and from what i've heard/seen you can basically heal them with your healing stream totems. Bluepost on MMO confirms paladin/warrior tanks are better than DK's overall as far as damage taken in heroics goes.

5x shaman would be a lot easier now with the reduced cooldown on elementals and the glyph for fire...compared to when this video was done if you were to semi-gear them through doing heroics with 2-3 of them at once you could easily get them up to par to do what was done in the video with ease, but like i said... the healing may be a bit difficult without practice.

[Multibocks]

In that video the shaman are not even in full t7... mostly heroism badge gear. He does not VASTLY outgear the instances. He is overgeared, but it's nothing like being in full t9. For example you can plainly see that the shaman are using badge shields and either the mace from heroic nexus or the titansteel one. Compare those to what you can get now? Heroic HoR gets you something as good as ALGALON drops (offhand), and battered hilts are better than the legendary mace from ulduar...

Playing 5 shaman takes a lot of skill for heroics as far as healing goes in my opinion...but it can be done. It's much easier with a paladin tank with as much mitigation possibilities as they have for such (shield block reducing damage taken etc) and from what i've heard/seen you can basically heal them with your healing stream totems. Bluepost on MMO confirms paladin/warrior tanks are better than DK's overall as far as damage taken in heroics goes.

5x shaman would be a lot easier now with the reduced cooldown on elementals and the glyph for fire...compared to when this video was done if you were to semi-gear them through doing heroics with 2-3 of them at once you could easily get them up to par to do what was done in the video with ease, but like i said... the healing may be a bit difficult without practice.

My point was you are not going to roll into UK and solo it with blues. Sorry that my embleshment went over like a turd in the punch bowl.

[Ualaa]

I don't see a 5x Shammy group, running the complete chain for the Battered Hilts, if those are upgrades.
No one outgears the newer heroics, to that level yet.

But the older stuff, was balanced against being a fresh 80th, in mixed quest green/blues.
And you can far outgear that level content, fairly easily, given a bit of pvp gear or some raids for your toons.

[Crel]

Just my 2 cents
The "older" heroics, when in badge gear as of now are cake. My pally can do entire heroics without getting healed at all and he isn't even that well geared. Its the newer Hor Pos Fos that WILL give you trouble if pve content is on mind. Anything is possibe though!

As for the locks this is a question I'm tossing around as well as confronted with a choice of 5 locks or 4 with a priest. Think I read somewhere that the priest is just a weak spot to be hammered in pvp. Does anyone have a solid viewpoint of 5locks? Been using shams for awhile now, itching to fear a few people myself for once