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    Quote Originally Posted by Ualaa View Post
    I'll throw a different question at you.

    How is it "legal", for a normal one-boxing wow player, to be able to push their keybind for IWT once. And after that, to push their keybind for whatever attack they are doing?

    With a two-step keymap, whether it is configured for "key down" + "key up" (a single key) or "key up" + "key up" (same key twice), this is the exact same thing -- two inputs, causing two outputs. If you don't want to use the Blizzard approved Keyboard API function of an event on key-down, and another on key-up (which addons like Macaroon use), then don't. Set it to advance to the next step, on key release only.
    thats not even the same thing i was asking...

    I'm not talking about a 2 step keymap or a keymap at all. I'm talking about ONE button press (just the down portion of it for the sake of clarity), activating the FTL DPS assist (as the default FTL DPS keys all do) AND the IWT keybind at the same time. This is what the third step of the OP's keymap is doing. It is not doing this in multiple steps but in the same step (everytime you press that key it FTL assists and on the 3rd step it ALSO sends IWT). Activating a macro + a keybind is 2 actions any way you split it.

    The penny method is still not the same thing as it is two hardware actions seen by the computer, whereas this method is only one hardware action, I know that topic has been beaten to death but it just feels like I'm getting a ton of answers to questions I didn't ask. Am I that unclear?

    Let me give an example.
    I go to a default FTL DPS key.
    i press 1... it sends FTL assist + 1 to my game
    i bind 1 to IWT

    I press 1 one time and I get FTL assist + IWT.... how is this one action per one keypress when IWT cannot be macro'd
    Last edited by genocyde : 12-21-2009 at 10:03 PM

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    With IS Boxer, or the default game, either way it is impossible to send IWT + Your Keybind, on a single press.

    Blizzard has given us the option, in their Keyboard API options, to differentiate down/up as two events.
    You can send (one of) IWT or your DPS Key (as the only event on key down).
    On the second event (key up), you can send the other (IWT or DPS Key).
    You could do the same with Macaroon or a couple of other addons, it is not an IS Boxer specific feature.

    If you chose to run this as "only execute a step on key release", then it would be two physical key releases, for two actions.
    Instead of two physical key state actions (down + up) for two actions.

    In IS Boxer, this is a two step keymap. With one event on step 1, and the other on step 2.
    You can go with each step on key release (which is the default), or a step on both key down and key up.
    Last edited by Ualaa : 12-22-2009 at 01:16 AM Reason: Edited for clarification.
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  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ualaa View Post
    With IS Boxer, or the default game, either way it is impossible to send IWT + Your Keybind, on a single press.
    Right, I know that. Again, not what I'm saying. I'm saying your sending JUST IWT... no additional keybind. The problem lies in the fact that the keybind is sent by an FTL DPS key, therefor sending your FTL assist macro at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ualaa
    Blizzard has given us the option, in their Keyboard API options, to differentiate down/up as two events.
    Ok, I have not mentioned down up events once except to say it has nothing to do with my question. I appreciate the explanation, but it isn't relavent to my question.

    What I'm describing is in IS Boxer, an FTL DPS key automatically sends your FTL assist anytime you press that key. What I'm trying to say is, at no point on a key thats using the FTL assist option (the checkbox in ISBoxer that says 'use FTL' or whatever) should you be able to use a non-macroable keybind or ability. Having ISBoxer send your IWT keybind with one of these keys is sending a macro + a keybind at the same time.

    This is the exact same functionality as sending your FTL assist macro + an actionbar keybind. The thing is, unlike a keybind that activates a spell, it is impossible as far as I know to activate a macro + IWT keybind inside the game. So we should not be using IS to do it either. And before you mention the down keypress / up keypress please keep in mind that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I understand that sending FTL assist on down keypress and IWT on up keypress is legal. What I'm saying is that you are sending FTL assist AND IWT on one down keypress if you allow an FTL DPS keymap to send your IWT keybind at any point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genocyde View Post
    Right, I know that. Again, not what I'm saying. I'm saying your sending JUST IWT... no additional keybind. The problem lies in the fact that the keybind is sent by an FTL DPS key, therefor sending your FTL assist macro at the same time.



    Ok, I have not mentioned down up events once except to say it has nothing to do with my question. I appreciate the explanation, but it isn't relavent to my question.

    What I'm describing is in IS Boxer, an FTL DPS key automatically sends your FTL assist anytime you press that key. What I'm trying to say is, at no point on a key thats using the FTL assist option (the checkbox in ISBoxer that says 'use FTL' or whatever) should you be able to use a non-macroable keybind or ability. Having ISBoxer send your IWT keybind with one of these keys is sending a macro + a keybind at the same time.

    This is the exact same functionality as sending your FTL assist macro + an actionbar keybind. The thing is, unlike a keybind that activates a spell, it is impossible as far as I know to activate a macro + IWT keybind inside the game. So we should not be using IS to do it either. And before you mention the down keypress / up keypress please keep in mind that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I understand that sending FTL assist on down keypress and IWT on up keypress is legal. What I'm saying is that you are sending FTL assist AND IWT on one down keypress if you allow an FTL DPS keymap to send your IWT keybind at any point.

    This is not a "is it legal thread" if you want to hold that discussion, take it elsewhere. The dead horse called. it's begging for your mercy. I understand your concerns but it's been addressed. See Zanthor's penny post.

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    Alright, I give. Sorry if I drug this through the mud but I swear I asked the same question 15 times and got an answer to 15 questions I didn't ask. I guess that part of it just got me a little frustrated. I'll refrain from x-games style xtreme thread de-railing

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    Quote Originally Posted by genocyde View Post
    Alright, I give. Sorry if I drug this through the mud but I swear I asked the same question 15 times and got an answer to 15 questions I didn't ask. I guess that part of it just got me a little frustrated. I'll refrain from x-games style xtreme thread de-railing
    No worries man, you have concerns, and I'd like you to understand it, the penny example is really the most basic example. If you still have further concerns, hop in ISBoxer IRC and ask your questions there. Lax and Zanthor explain it a lot better than anyone else I've talked to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svpernova09 View Post
    No worries man, you have concerns, and I'd like you to understand it, the penny example is really the most basic example. If you still have further concerns, hop in ISBoxer IRC and ask your questions there. Lax and Zanthor explain it a lot better than anyone else I've talked to.
    Sadly, they the penny example kind of makes it click for me. That is really the closest answer to what I was asking I've gotten yet. Every other response was talking about something else like downpress/uppress or multi-step keymaps or something when really I was talking about the sending multiple things with one keypress. I guess I just missed the boat about that topic when it was discussed in other threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanthor View Post

    Tap the penny.

    As previously discussed and beaten to death, if it were illegal to press 2 keys at one time we would be banned for circle strafing in PVP.
    Off topic, what kind of keyboard is that? Looks cool.
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