Best battleground for multiboxing (several teams)

[Naysayer]

WSG would be the best if you can dominate with 3-0 caps.

AB wouldn't be a good idea unless you have 5 or more separate boxers because you can't five-cap when you have to leave flags unattended.

EotS is slow, but would seem doable with 1 boxer at each node and 1 extra roaming for defense.

SotA would actually be really good if you had your groups split at the start and just wrecked the tanks before they could even move. Games would take a while if you couldn't protect your own tanks though.

AV is always good for boxers, the more the better.


But we don't know how they'll be scoring games yet, so who knows, maybe stalling a WSG game to a draw could produce the best results. Maybe capping flags in eots repeatedly with 1 tower will be best. It's a long time from now.

[Littleburst]

AB with 3 boxers can work. But you just need to adapt fast and a lot. And be able to take on a big group of alliance. If you got 2 boxers there's no problem really. Let one defend Blacksmith and roam around a bit. The second can help the others cap bases. I don't think you'll be able to 5 cap easily though. Maybe if you can succesfully rush all 3 bases and keep all alliance at their Stables it could work very good, but that won't be easy.


WSG. Avoid it imo. WSG is mostly about mobility, running a flag or chasing it. It's to easy for the alliance to just CC a slave for who you'll have to wait or leave him/her behind. (asuming trinket on CD etc.) Possibly, if you can group 2 quadboxers with 2 skilled dpsers you could make it work. One boxer gets the flag and escorts it to his base, assisted by others if needed. Then the other boxer + he 2 dpsers go to offense and nuke the enemy FC down asap. Quadboxer works best i think, 5 is to much.

EOTS works fine. Secure 2 bases and a third can cap flag or get a third base or w/e.

AV. Haven't done a lot of AV with multiple boxers, but i think the more you spread out the better. Half go offense, half defense. Just recap IB and TP while the offense makes sure they keep IW and SH B + base.

SOTA, baaad if you ask me. I hate it, can't see it work any better with 2 boxers then with 1. Defending will be fun, but offense a nightmare.

Overall my opinion is that a person who boxes 4 is more usefull then 5 in most cases. For WSG even 3 instead of 4. Since you take up less spots which is good for obvious reasons. No offense whatsoever, just my thoughts

[Kromtor]

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sorry i was just expressing disbelief in his inability to grasp what was being asked

obviously you won't face the same annoying issues playing with 2/3/4 groups of 5 boxers as opposed to pugs when you've got puppydog pets who follow you around never dismounting and then blame you for the loss

WSG will be a nightmare. Your opposition will repeatedly fear bomb/AoE CC your flag defenders until they can sneak in a druid runner. Probably the most hopeless BG for 2 5 boxers in my prediction, but i'm always eager to be proven wrong by creative boxers. AB will be a bit tough due to them zerging one flag w/ 10 people to draw one of your groups away from defending long enough to have a stealther cap it while potentially capping the zerged base as well.

I'd plan for the worst and hope for the best. It's hard enough in arenas vs. skilled players... when it comes to sneaky flag cap tactics it'll potentially be worse.

[Fuzzyboy]

And my point was that I don't think any of them would work particularly well as battlegrounds are not a small arena but large open areas with a lot of different positions. I can't see it working in WSG, AB, Strand, AV, or Isle. Maybe EOTS but I really doubt it since you'd be facing other competitive teams who would easily take advantage of each boxer only being in one place.

That's great, but I think you're missing my point. I realize that boxers, be it in BG, arena or PvE is less capable than individual players. I also get your point that boxing BG's may even be more difficult than boxing arenas. To some extent I agree, but that's not what I'm asking. You're talking about why boxing is difficult in battlegrounds - I'm talking about which battleground complements boxing the best - and worst (or in your terms, which BG would suck the least and most ;-)).

I'm only guessing here, but obviously the skill level in rated BG's will be higher than current BG's. I'm also guessing that it'll be lower than current arenas, since people can and will go in uncoordinated in order to try and score easy gear (it's a safe bet since you'll be unable to actually lose rating from BG's). The success of boxing BG's will depend heavily on the opposite sides ability to exploit the fact that we're boxing. At high ratings, this is a given, which naturally caps our top possible rating, just as it's the case in arenas today. Still, I think BG will open up some new options in addition to what we see in arenas today. New classes will be viable, support classes will be more in focus, 2-, 3-boxing might be good options, stuff like that.

Anyway, I'm rambling here. To adress your point, I think you're right in your assumption that we'll be facing some challenges we haven't faced before. Some of those may make PvP-boxing even more difficult, but the new type of system will also make PvP more casual than it is today, which allows us a bit more breathing room as boxers. Or maybe not, guess we won't know for sure until Cata comes

[Fuzzyboy]

AB with 3 boxers can work. But you just need to adapt fast and a lot. And be able to take on a big group of alliance. If you got 2 boxers there's no problem really. Let one defend Blacksmith and roam around a bit. The second can help the others cap bases. I don't think you'll be able to 5 cap easily though. Maybe if you can succesfully rush all 3 bases and keep all alliance at their Stables it could work very good, but that won't be easy.


WSG. Avoid it imo. WSG is mostly about mobility, running a flag or chasing it. It's to easy for the alliance to just CC a slave for who you'll have to wait or leave him/her behind. (asuming trinket on CD etc.) Possibly, if you can group 2 quadboxers with 2 skilled dpsers you could make it work. One boxer gets the flag and escorts it to his base, assisted by others if needed. Then the other boxer + he 2 dpsers go to offense and nuke the enemy FC down asap. Quadboxer works best i think, 5 is to much.

EOTS works fine. Secure 2 bases and a third can cap flag or get a third base or w/e.

AV. Haven't done a lot of AV with multiple boxers, but i think the more you spread out the better. Half go offense, half defense. Just recap IB and TP while the offense makes sure they keep IW and SH B + base.

SOTA, baaad if you ask me. I hate it, can't see it work any better with 2 boxers then with 1. Defending will be fun, but offense a nightmare.

Overall my opinion is that a person who boxes 4 is more usefull then 5 in most cases. For WSG even 3 instead of 4. Since you take up less spots which is good for obvious reasons. No offense whatsoever, just my thoughts

Thanks for the input. I think you're right about AV and EOTS - and AB as a possible third. Cata might also bring some new BG's (most likely), I'm really hoping for an updated AV-type of BG.

[outdrsyguy1]

i'm looking forward to the rated bg's, i really feel like i can do better overall there than in arena's. Arena's are very stressful and frustrating for a lot of people while bg's are not as much because there are so many others to blame for losses, so you don't always face the uber players with uber gear. I think the coordination strenght of multiboxing will shine in certain bg's and especially the outdoor open field battleground like WG. I'm excited about it, toughest part will be finding good players to make a team with that are willing to give a boxer a try. I hope they make the rated bg's more of a grind type than ranking type where a loss doesn't hurt you, it's just more time until you get enough wins to get "x" gear. Maybe uber gear for "gladiator" type teams but being downranked for losing takes a lot of fun out of it. Im sure everyones had a night where they played 50+ arena matches and ended up the same or lower than they started and was like, wtf am i doing here, what a waste of a night.

[Fuzzyboy]

sorry i was just expressing disbelief in his inability to grasp what was being asked

obviously you won't face the same annoying issues playing with 2/3/4 groups of 5 boxers as opposed to pugs when you've got puppydog pets who follow you around never dismounting and then blame you for the loss

WSG will be a nightmare. Your opposition will repeatedly fear bomb/AoE CC your flag defenders until they can sneak in a druid runner. Probably the most hopeless BG for 2 5 boxers in my prediction, but i'm always eager to be proven wrong by creative boxers. AB will be a bit tough due to them zerging one flag w/ 10 people to draw one of your groups away from defending long enough to have a stealther cap it while potentially capping the zerged base as well.

I'd plan for the worst and hope for the best. It's hard enough in arenas vs. skilled players... when it comes to sneaky flag cap tactics it'll potentially be worse.

Yeah, I think you're right about AB. You could possibly counter with simply giving up the flag and capping their now undefended flags, but you'd still suffer from being unable to split down into "lesser" groups than 5. That's assuming it's 3 5-boxers of course.

[Coltimar]

I think something else to bring up is that just because you run 5 normally doesn't mean you can't drop down to 3 or 4. I would love to do some premade AB/WSG with, even a truncated, team. Even 5 guys 2 boxing and a 5 boxer would be sweet in AB. I used to be in a PvP guild (vanilla wow here) and the strats they had were amazingly effective and we won everything. I haven't had much luck with premades since, lol.

[Mosg2]

At this point I think it's still too early to speculate about how the rating system will work. Potentially it may be the same as arenas where you que for rated matches against other people doing the same. More likely (IMO) is that they will implement a way to track your performance in each BG and then tie rewards to a particlar rating. I think th problem with rated BG matches is numbers--it's going to be hard to get the same fifteen people together to play a significant number of games.

I think that they will simply find a way to rate your performance in a particlar BG and have you gain/lose rating based off of that. This would make it easier for coordinated teams to get rating but I think would overall increase th number of people doing premades.

More on topic, I don't think that any BG would be easier for three boxers than one boxer and the rest individuals. I love AB and EoTS because I can hammer a position quickly and then move on while individuals defend etc. Defending gets harder and harder with the less individuals you have while offense gets easier and easier.

In order, I would rate them best to worse:
AV
EoTS
AB
SoTA
WSG

[asonimie]

At this point I think it's still too early to speculate about how the rating system will work. Potentially it may be the same as arenas where you que for rated matches against other people doing the same. More likely (IMO) is that they will implement a way to track your performance in each BG and then tie rewards to a particlar rating. I think th problem with rated BG matches is numbers--it's going to be hard to get the same fifteen people together to play a significant number of games.

I think that they will simply find a way to rate your performance in a particlar BG and have you gain/lose rating based off of that. This would make it easier for coordinated teams to get rating but I think would overall increase th number of people doing premades.

More on topic, I don't think that any BG would be easier for three boxers than one boxer and the rest individuals. I love AB and EoTS because I can hammer a position quickly and then move on while individuals defend etc. Defending gets harder and harder with the less individuals you have while offense gets easier and easier.

In order, I would rate them best to worse:
AV
EoTS
AB
SoTA
WSG

Kinda disagree. I'm unbeatable in WSG. Best they can do is tie me 0-0 if my random teammates sit on their thumbs the whole time.