The simultaneous sending of keystrokes is considered illegal in EQ2...

[Velassra]

Looks like SOE replied to linked thread above.

[asgradth]

Looks like SOE replied to linked thread above.

Yup, confirmed. Using SW is illegal and a violation of the terms of service, hence, a Bannable Offense. Time to cancel my accounts and move to a new game. It was fun, but it is no more. At least I can make some scratch selling my toons on the exchange server.

Thanks for all the help over the last few years, gang, especially you, Noxxy. I was able to do things I never thought possible as a multi-boxer... and I couldn't have done it without this community.

Until the next Game... This is Pang/Militant of Chainsaw Leprechauns on Oasis, signing off.

[Fat Tire]

I am curious when they made this policy change?




Edit: You may want to post this on the General Discussion forums so it gets a little bit more visibility for anyone considering playing EQ2. This is a pretty big deal. I could see wow doing the same thing.

[Svpernova09]

Here is a direct link to the SoE reply:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...464930#5182737

INC OFFICIAL RESPONSE!!!
End of debate Thank you very much everyone


Our terms of service state: (http://soe-ing.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...p?p_faqid=12248)
6. We may terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) and/or suspend your Account immediately and without notice: (i) if you violate any provision of this Agreement; (ii) infringe any third party intellectual property rights; (iii) if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us; (iv) upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which we, in our sole discretion, determine is inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game; (v) upon any violation of the Station Terms of Service and/or the Game Rules of Conduct and/or (vi) upon any violation of the Exchange Agreement. If we terminate this Agreement or suspend your Account under these circumstances, you will lose access to your Account for the duration of the suspension and/or the balance of any prepaid period without any refund. We may also terminate this Agreement if we decide, in our sole discretion, to discontinue offering the Game, in which case we may provide you with a prorated refund of any prepaid amounts.

So, multiboxing if you control all 6 characters signally and you have to type a command for all 6 characters separately is ok. Multi-boxing with the use of hardware OR software which allows you to control 6 characters with 1 command is not ok and considered in violation of the spirit of the game as it gives the player(s) an advantage over other players.

IMO "6 characters signally and you have to type a command for all 6 characters separately is ok" Sounds like if you round robin everything so only 1 toon is getting a key at a time, you'd be ok. But it's definitely a Box at your own risk until they clarify further.

Going to move this to General Forums.

[Fat Tire]

Here is a direct link to the SoE reply:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...464930#5182737




IMO "6 characters signally and you have to type a command for all 6 characters separately is ok" Sounds like if you round robin everything so only 1 toon is getting a key at a time, you'd be ok. But it's definitely a Box at your own risk until they clarify further.

Going to move this to General Forums.

So, multiboxing if you control all 6 characters signally and you have to type a command for all 6 characters separately is ok. Multi-boxing with the use of hardware OR software which allows you to control 6 characters with 1 command is not ok and considered in violation of the spirit of the game as it gives the player(s) an advantage over other players.


Not sure that needs anymore clarity.

I for sure wouldnt take the chance as a want -to- be boxer i.e. spending the money for a computer/extra monitor/s, broadcasting software and accounts after reading that. Definitely a sad day for the boxers who have put in so much time/money already.

[Noxxy]

Totally and utterly devastated - many many hours creating chars for the pure enjoyment of the game whilst under the misguided impression I was acting within the 'spirit' of the game

Even went to the lengths of introducing myself, the team and my playstyle/equipment to servers and getting GM approvals - now, after all those hours, to have had the rug pulled out from under my feet is just totally...not cool and quite misleading

If SOE is serious about this they really need to re-word their EULA to clearly state what is considered botting, etc. That would only be fair.

As for locking a thread on the main SOE forum which directly relates to this new stance is also strange. Yes, they may be trying to stop a flame fight but the information, and SOEs stance, will be lost to new comers to the forums as the post will quickly sink to the bottom of the pile and never be seen or heard from again. Absolute shame.

So many people are now openly talking about boxing on eq2flames - you can't tell me they are all 'iron man boxing' (bashing seperate keyboards) - seriously, it's a new century - upgraded software and hardware solutions are coming out on a daily basis - multiboxing IS a valid playstyle

This is really a pretty large spike in the wheels in regards to multiboxing on all SOE run mmporgs (EQ2, EQ, Vanguard, etc)

Still shaking my head - many hours gone

Rat army retired

NB: Honestly, guys and gals who play other mmporgs - be really wary of this new stance by SOE - it COULD effect you in whatever game you currently play no matter who created it - the end of modern mboxing for all?

[thinus]

NB: Honestly, guys and gals who play other mmporgs - be really wary of this new stance by SOE - it COULD effect you in whatever game you currently play no matter who created it - the end of modern mboxing for all?

Oh stop over dramatizing. SOE has been a bunch of cocks since EQ came out. I realize that you put a lot of time into boxing and that this is a major blow to you but to assume that other companies would give a shit about SOE's policy on boxing and seeing it as the end of modern boxing is just being hysterical.

[mrmcgee21]

I am worried about how they enforce this like what Lax said above, I personally used very very few globally broadcasted keys as I prefer more control over my toons so this effects me very little in general. But as Lax said above its nearly impossible to pinpoint who is and who isnt globablly broadcasting, fuck I send out 5 or 6 keystrokes within 1 sec everytime I pull a mob into camp, how can you tell that isnt all 1 keystroke exactly? I could see how it appears that way to a underpayed GM looking to crack down with this new rule ..... I guess we will see. Either noone gets banned, or we all get banned honestly ( I imagine it will be the former ) in terms of SoE at least ( I am boxing EQ1 currently ). I have "ironman" boxed a group of 6 before but WOW that was a ton of work compared to how convenient Isboxer has made it, I never want to go back to that shit ( I just alt tab'd extremely fast on one machine, not 6 keyboards ).

[Malekyth]

Oh stop over dramatizing. SOE has been a bunch of cocks since EQ came out. I realize that you put a lot of time into boxing and that this is a major blow to you but to assume that other companies would give a shit about SOE's policy on boxing and seeing it as the end of modern boxing is just being hysterical.

Agreed. It's more a "oh, Sony, you retards" than a call for anyone else to follow their lead. Blizzard in particular has been explicit about its tolerance of multiboxing, and they're not going to change their minds based on what stodgy traditional ol' Sony thinks is right. WoW only exists because a bunch of EQ players decided (correctly) that they could do a lot better.

[Herc130]

So, multiboxing if you control all 6 characters signally and you have to type a command for all 6 characters separately is ok. Multi-boxing with the use of hardware OR software which allows you to control 6 characters with 1 command is not ok and considered in violation of the spirit of the game as it gives the player(s) an advantage over other players.

Sounds more like the misguided, probably biased opinion of that GM. How about I have 6 individual keyboards for 6 computers running one account each. How about I make a fully mechanical device that physically presses whichever key on all 6 keyboards via one control point. Would that be ok?

Really, the spirit of the game? Sounds like the same type of person that will also go on to preach about "the journey and not the distination" to people powerleveling up their 100th character.

Boxing gives me an advantage over a single player because .....I gotz more accounts. Boxing does not give me any advantages over a group of players, in fact, my "group" is far less effective. And I don't think at any point that it gives me an "unfair" advantage. Hey.....those two guys grouped up...that means they have an "unfair" advantage over a solo player? I am playing on a computer that runs the game at all the settings maxxed and great FPS on a huge ass high res screen that makes it easy for me to see everything.......I guess that's an "unfair" advantage since there are probably people out there playing on something tht barely runs the game?

This "GM" sounds like she/he is making company policy off her/his personal opinion. Go over that person's head if you can, cause I don't think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing at SoE and if it did, that GM will probably get a quick slap to STFU and stop losing us $$$.