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    I think the general rules here is anything that a normal, average wow player with standard keyboard mouse input cannot do will likely stir some issues here.

    Comparing a boxing slave to a normal keyboard + mouse user:

    sending 1 key strokes with 1 key press is fine.

    sending 2 key strokes with 1 key press (up and down) is not looking ok. Glue a penny to cover two keys is really not a normal usage. It is still two key presses to the hardware, and the effectiveness is way different than pushing 1 key and 2 action happens. That's like saying I have 6 fingers on one hand and I am pressing more keys.

    use external delay for key presses is not looking ok. (you press keystrokes at any speed you want, the keystrokes will get sent out with delay built in). This is discussed extensively when we asked blizzard if it is ok to use G13/G15 macro functions.
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    Well, it would be almost impossible to track what you're doing, unless they look at your IS Boxer configuration file.

    In IS Boxer, we send one keybind on key stroke down.
    And a different keybind on key stroke up.
    The game receives two different keybinds, not our one key.
    Our down/up speed will vary slightly.

    The same as if you had one finger on F12 and the other on 1.
    And were spamming both of them.

    If you're uncomfortable with this, as stated previously -- remove the keystroke down or up command.
    And just spam the single key, at roughly twice the speed you were doing so before.
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    You're sending events to their client and their server, it's trivial to log those commands and the time intervals between them, trivial to analyze that log if they ever have cause to - this on top of whatever Warden wants to do constantly.

    You're onto "they'll never catch me" as an argument now. Doesn't that tell you something about what you're doing?

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    Well, actually.. I'm not even melee boxing, so I'm not doing anything.



    But take for example a "Click Castsequence" which a ton of people here use for dps when boxing.
    You are spamming a single key, at as consistent a pace as you can handle.

    Adding an IWT into your click is an option.

    If you want to stick with one keystroke output per one keystroke input, you can easily make the keymap into two steps.

    Then it does exactly what you want it to, and you spam your click twice as quickly.



    If you want to stick to this strict interpretation, I would suggest not using any FTL based system, as you are physically only pushing 1, 2, 3 etc on your main screen, but are sending 1 + modifier keys (which you are not pushing on the current client) to the other clients, which lets them know who to assist.
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    Actually, this is specifically not against the ToS. The gist is human action=one action in game. IIRC, it states in the ToS that downclick/upclick is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ualaa View Post
    If you want to stick to this strict interpretation, I would suggest not using any FTL based system, as you are physically only pushing 1, 2, 3 etc on your main screen, but are sending 1 + modifier keys (which you are not pushing on the current client) to the other clients, which lets them know who to assist.
    Not relevant. Keybinds are key + modifier.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mosg2 View Post
    Actually, this is specifically not against the ToS. The gist is human action=one action in game. IIRC, it states in the ToS that downclick/upclick is ok.
    If it does, show me, because this is blatantly against everything I've ever seen on the topic.

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    With a keybind, you are sending Alt + 3, by pressing both the Alt key and the 3 key.

    If you only physically push the 3 key, never touching the Alt key.
    Then you are sending two keystrokes, with one key press.

    Granted, there's no way for Blizzard to know what you pushed, as the software outputs the correct mod (via hotstrings, keymaps etc) to each game, and they only see the final keystroke.
    And warden shows that you are using Keyclone, IS Boxer, HKN, GCP etc, which are all fine to use with warcraft.
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    It's generally not what you use so much as what you do with it. E.g. knives used for cooking, murder.

    A hardware event is allowed to one keybind. Using a third party program to make it trigger two, or to dynamically change the context of the keybind is botting.

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    Botting, is unattended play.

    Pressing a key, at your keyboard is not unattended play.

    If you don't want to use a keystroke up and keystroke down component, then don't.

    I again point you to the option of omitting:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ualaa View Post
    Click on the Keymap name (DPS 1, for example). Change, "Execute a Step when the Hotkey is" from "released (Default)" to "Pressed or Released".
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    Partially unattended, completely unattended? Still botting.

    Even having it toggle the bind every time is seriously, seriously pushing the boundaries in the best interpretation.

    Anyway, I've said my piece. You've shown that you know it's not right. If you want to bot, that's between you and Blizzard, and if you want to tell others to do so, that's between you and the admins here if they'll allow that kind of thing.
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