Build 10 -- Configs and more GUI

[Freddie]

I should add that the Debug Menu is for testers. It's a temporary part of the program. Some of the stuff we're discussing is on that menu.

[thinus]

Unless you let Mojo page out to disk the location of its exe and dll files has no effect on performance. No effect at all. Given the way it's written and used that not likely to happen even if you're short of RAM, and that probably isn't very likely either for the category of users that you're talking about.

What I meant is that I have limited space on the SSD, 64GB, and the O/S and WoW are both installed on the SSD which leaves me with 10-12GB to play with. Ideally I only want to install performance critical applications on the SSD and as you say, there is no performance reason to have Mojo on the SSD.

However, because the O/S is installed on the SSD my user profiles, temp files, everything else are also on the SSD. This means ClickOnce also install to the SSD.

But as I said earlier, unless Mojo grows to 100s of MBs, it will never be a concern with regards to available disk space, I am more irritated by Microsoft not providing me the ability to easily configure where different kinds of data is stored.

[Freddie]

What I meant is that I have limited space on the SSD, 64GB, and the O/S and WoW are both installed on the SSD which leaves me with 10-12GB to play with. Ideally I only want to install performance critical applications on the SSD and as you say, there is no performance reason to have Mojo on the SSD.

Oh, I see.

How about movng the whole %LOCALAPPDATA% folder (which includes the ClickOnce directory) to another hard disk. You right click the folder, select properties, click Location, and pick a spot.

I've never tried it, but I think that's how it works.

[Aragent]

Thank you Freddie for your response on the Mojo.setup and the installation directorys.

I hope I didn't come across as condemning or condescending or confrontational as that was not my intent.
As a network engineer I am aware that Network applications and web applications will store there data in %APPDATA% %LOCALAPPDATA%

I guess I was being a bit slow and it hadn’t dawned on me that mojo was a web app.

I made an assumption that once hotkeys were added users would want or need to store Hotkey data centrally to the data files. So the general user would want need access to the folder. (Probably wrong for me to jump to that conclusion this early in the design process.) And just thought the location was a bit complicated for General users but as you have stated your design plans that users will almost never have to access that folder so this is irrelevant.

And Lastly my concern was as thinus explained as more multi-boxers are transferring to SSD drives to run OS and wow most may wish the option to have greater option on whats is being installed on the ssd and what’s being stored on the data drives.

And that this was better brought up earlier than later.

[Freddie]

I hope I didn't come across as condemning or condescending or confrontational as that was not my intent.

I didn't take it that way. I should add that I'm ambivalent about ClickOnce myself. It's being used on a trial basis. Maybe I'll replace it with an MSI installer. But I want to base this decision on the actual facts.

I guess I was being a bit slow and it hadn’t dawned on me that mojo was a web app.

Mojo's not a web app. Right now, you can copy it to any folder you want and clck Mojo.exe. It will run perfectly well from any location on your hard disk.

It's the installer (ClickOnce), not Mojo, that's making you say "web app."

The installer is one thing. Mojo is something else.

Somebody could write an MSI (traditional) installer for Mojo tomorrow. Mojo will work fine with it. Mojo knows nothing about the installer. There is nothing in Mojo that interacts with the installer in any way.

I made an assumption that once hotkeys were added users would want or need to store Hotkey data centrally to the data files.

Are you thinking of something like a script in HotkeyNet? That's a different thing. That's a file created by the user. With files of that kind, users will (of course) choose the names and locations.

We've been talking about files created by the program for its own use, that will not normally be seen or manipulated directly by the user. That's a different thing.

And Lastly my concern was as thinus explained as more multi-boxers are transferring to SSD drives to run OS and wow most may wish the option to have greater option on whats is being installed on the ssd and what’s being stored on the data drives.

As I said above, I don't think that's a problem because, as far as I know, it's extremely easy to relocate %LOCALAPPDATA% to a a different hard disk.

But I've never tried it, so maybe I'm wrong. And maybe moving all of %LOCALAPPDATA% would create other problems

[Freddie]

It seems to be extremely easy to move the %LOCALAPPDATA% folder, at least on Vista.

However I'm scared to try it on my PCs since I use them all for work and I don't want to risk screwing anything up.

Could somebody test this and see if it works?

You just open an explorer window and right-click the local folder (it's under Desktop, under your account name, under AppData.

Select Properties from the bottom of the menu.





That gives you a pop up. You enter the new location. It can be a hard disk if you want.





Edit: After you do that, Mojo should get moved to the new location along with the folder. You can tell if that happens by launching Mojo after the move, clicking Debug on the menu, and displaying the install directory.

[Aragent]

First glance with Windows 7 Ultimate it does not seam to be as easy to move and re-associate the folder

when you get to appdata and do a properties it does not give you a place to change localization of the file or folder.

I will dig a little deeper later.

[thinus]

Thanks for the screenies. I played around with it a little but I haven't risked moving anything yet. I was initially looking at the root of the user profile folder and you cannot change the location from there, you need to pick the individual sub-folders and relocate them one at a time. I see they added the location changing features in Vista. The machine I changed partitioning on due to the complexity of trying to move the user profiles was an XP machine.

But to me, as far as Mojo is concerned, it is really not a big deal. I just get frustrated when things I expect from an O/S are not there.

[Freddie]

when you get to appdata and do a properties it does not give you a place to change localization of the file or folder.

As shown above, you have to click Local, not AppData.

[Aragent]

As shown above, you have to click Local, not AppData.

Thats what I get for trying to do it in a hurry.

However Had more time and tried it under local.

This is what I got when attempting to relocate the dir
D:\Users\[Username]\AppData\Local\

Failed to build the list of regular subfolders under
"C:\Users\[Username]\AppData\Local\EvaluateDiagnostics\3391462126"
Access is denied.


This was done under my Admin account.
However when I have a bit more time I will see if it shall work under safemode.