Build 9 has the beginnings of a GUI

[Flekkie]

By the way I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to you about the scrolling messages. You did a huge amount of work and believe me, I haven't forgotten.

No worries - it's not exactly the core function of the program, and prolly too early to do more than start thinking about it. I just jotted it all down in a lazy moment in front of the TV, it wasn't a huge effort. I'll throw in some lol speak next time so it doesn't come out so formal

I don't have a strong opinion yet but I'm inclined to think that the local PC should stop broadcasting outward when its mouse is moused over to a remote.PC. I may be mixed up but think the earlier question was about something else, whether the remote PC should broadcast outward when the local PC's mouse is on the remote's screen and the user is typing on the local keyboard.. The second case (broadcasting at a remove, as it were) could get pretty confusing for people.

What do you think?

If I was sat at PC1 and moused onto PC2's monitor, then intuitively I might expect all keyboard actions to be exactly as if on PC2's local keyboard - is that what you mean? So if the Mojo settings on PC2 were not to broadcast then potential for confusion?

Trying to clarify before I go off on one

I think it depends on how Mojo knows you have only one. If it knows because you checked "one PC" on settings, then I think maybe that button should become invisible rather than grayed out. (However I'm thinking of removing that setting from the program to make it as simple as possible.)

If, however, Mojo knows because it hasn't found any PCs to connect to, I think the button should remain working because people who *do* want to mouseover but only have one Mojo running at the moment might want to see if the button is "pushed" or not.

If the button turns gray for two different reasons, (1) the user "unpushed" it and (2) the program did it automatically because no Mojo's are seen at the moment, I think that's bad interface design. A visual indicator should mean one and only one thing imho.

ATM, the button is green background + solid letters for on and no background + solid letters for off. I meant to suggest no background + grey letters for not applicable, as a way to indicate the function is there but does not apply to current setup.

Similar to Firefox, click the History button on the top menu bar, and the Forward option is greyed out unless there is an actual web page to go to.

But just not showing it at all unless needed is a nice idea to keep all confusion to minimum. Would someone who was used to seeing it there be confused if it disappeared?

Another issue is inbound mouseover vs. outbound mouseover. Inevitably, some people will want to fine tune it like that. But I don't want to put six buttons on window. Andit could be eight buttons, because eventually I'll probably implement both "broadcast to windows" and "broadcast to PCs."

Here is where I can't really give feedback without a second PC to see how it currently works. Do you mean there are potentially 2 mouse pointers, say PC1 and PC2 again, and an option for either or both to be on a given window? I had assumed toggling mouseover from PC1 on would automatically toggle mouseover from PC2 off, and vice versa.
Or just the option of allowing mouseover from PC1 to PC2 but not from PC2 to PC1?

But for any devious permutations, could you have an option in a settings menu somewhere to switch to advanced mode where the buttons work differently? EG toggling between more than two options, or acting like drop boxes? Or else a separate advanced settings screen to define what exactly each option means.


i can do lol speak nao? So u doht think i tryed too hard ^_^

[Freddie]

No worries - it's not exactly the core function of the program, and prolly too early to do more than start thinking about it. I just jotted it all down in a lazy moment in front of the TV, it wasn't a huge effort. I'll throw in some lol speak next time so it doesn't come out so formal

Lol.

If I was sat at PC1 and moused onto PC2's monitor, then intuitively I might expect all keyboard actions to be exactly as if on PC2's local keyboard - is that what you mean? So if the Mojo settings on PC2 were not to broadcast then potential for confusion?

If I understand you I meant the opposite but I think you're probably right.

ATM, the button is green background + solid letters for on and no background + solid letters for off. I meant to suggest no background + grey letters for not applicable, as a way to indicate the function is there but does not apply to current setup.

I think you're probably right about this too but I think I'll have to rewrite the code that draws the buttons to make the difference between off and disabled more obvious. (Those aren't Windows buttons although they look like Windows buttons. It took me fhours to write the code that draws them. I wanted to make them look like Vista taskbar buttons except with a green glow instead of orange, but I gave up because it would have taken at least a day.)

But just not showing it at all unless needed is a nice idea to keep all confusion to minimum. Would someone who was used to seeing it there be confused if it disappeared?

Yes, you're right, that's a basic design principle that I forgot. And it's nice if a balloon tip appears when the mouse hovers over the grayed-out item that explains why it's grayed out.

Here is where I can't really give feedback without a second PC to see how it currently works. Do you mean there are potentially 2 mouse pointers, say PC1 and PC2 again, and an option for either or both to be on a given window?

II only meant that people might want control to go in only one direction. Imagine you have two PCs. You want one to control the other, but not vice versa.

But for any devious permutations, could you have an option in a settings menu somewhere to switch to advanced mode where the buttons work differently? EG toggling between more than two options, or acting like drop boxes? Or else a separate advanced settings screen to define what exactly each option means.

I'd like to find a solution that (1) is easily seen so people know the feature exists and (2) is easy to use.

[Freddie]

Let's switch over to the thread for build 10.

(Flekkie we can continue about the buttons over there is you want.)

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26874