...and we can do (some) 25 mans too. We had a good deal of success in Naxx25, and stomped OS25 (still do). Biggest problem here was always getting 25 raid-ready toons to show up.

I'm sure we can pull off Onyxia25 with some gear and practice. Doubt ToC25. We could do *some* stuff in Ulduar 25... just need practice. its all about how serious everyone wants to get and push. Some nights WILL be wipe fests..... it happens. That's learning to raid.