Octopus, an oldie but goodie. Need some input.

[Mamut]

I have been using Octopus since i started boxing ages ago, and i still use it. Click regions is a great idea to make healing easier on an alt but other then that i wouldn't change anything.

Wonder what happened to skarlot?

[WaffleFrie]

Well, I'm not totally sure how far I am going to go with this, but I talked with Skarlot (the original author of Octopus) and purchased the source tree for both Octopus and Interbox. I am not a dev, but I've been looking at this and figured I could make the simple changes necessary.

But Octopus is a very complicated application. I must say it is well organized code-wise, but it is very daunting to look at.

ghallo can i say that i love you in the most non-homo way? if i had any idea how to help i def. would,but i'm just a drunk that plays video games while everyone else is asleep . speaking of which, i need another beer!

[Ghallo]

Thanks for the kind words ... I think

I'm looking at the Mojo project right now and that looks very impressive. Freddie's made a lot of progress in very short order. If he's willing, I may just direct my effort in that direction - but I'm not sure if I am good enough at programming yet.

If I do make changes to Octopus, it will take me time, as I'm slow.

[Ghallo]

Ok, so I have a build of Octopus (I'm calling it 1.3.8b until I make some REAL changes)

Done:

• Profile Copy button (currently you need to manually change settings between profiles).

Need:

• Somewhere to host the files.
• Someone to help test this.

To Do:

• Profile Creation Wizard (does what the current tool does, just creates the XML based on presets and a friendly wizard).
• Allow keys to be "translated" on a per client basis. All of the other multiplexers do this. EG: "Shift-X" on this client becomes "1" on the other client.
• This is the big one. Allow "regions" to be defined for the master window that EITHER became 1 click in another window offset (without keypress) OR translated into a single keypress which would then be broadcast per #3 (the idea here is I am playing my warrior, I click on the "make slave priest heal me" region and the priest receives a "Shift-Alt-2" keypress which causes the priest to cast a heal on the warrior.
• (zanthor) Handle "chat functions to pause broadcasting" - "r", "/" and "Enter" to trigger the pause and "Enter" or "Escape" to release the pause (I'll make this an option under "toggles" - someone suggest a button title?
• (Rhod,WaffleFrie) Quick Profile Switch
  
  • Need more information here - how do you see this working? Think about how you'd want the menu to look and work with the rest of Octopus. Do you mean just the KeyList/Whitelist/Blacklist? How would the profile be triggered? If you have the time - draw something up in msPaint or something, a picture is worth a ton!
• Round Robin (is this needed/wanted? I've never really used this, but I guess it could be possible to include).
• (WaffleFrie) Not recognizing "a game with a launcher" - do you mean for maximizer? I've never played around with WoW through the launcher so I'm not sure.

[Khemikal]

I'm still using Octopus. I do have to say I haven't used the other multiplexers out there yet, so my opinion is very biased. Being a programmer I've thought about trying HKN, but if what I have works, why switch? I'm still waiting for the 'read my mind' option however.

[Freddie]

I've never tried Octopus but I have a very good impression of it from things people say here. And also from things Skarlot said here while he was writing it.

I'd like to include Octopussy featurers in Mojo. The first things I'm putting into Mojo are (1) automatic key broadcast to all WoW windows and (2) mouseover (KM) like in Kavoom and Synergy.

Broadcast is already in, and hopefully mouseover will be published tomorrow.

I'm not sure how much these things are like Octopus, but if Octopus users test Mojo as it develops, and if they give me feedback telling me how to make it more like Octopus, I'll probably keep adding features in that direction.

[Ghallo]

Freddie ... if you PM me we can talk.

While I absolutely love Octopus (enough to buy the source!) what I really want is a tool that does everything *I* want

From what I have seen the code looks good. Ironically Skarlot seemed very embarrassed by it, but I've seen many projects that ran in the millions for dev that had much worse code. I'm not much of a programmer and yet I was still able to get the modifications I added to work. I can't even look at LUA without getting cross-eyed.

Right now I'm trying to figure out this whole "Publish" thing. I know what you mean about clickonce. I can't get the darn thing to allow me to pick an install directory. I myself am enough of a control freak that I don't want some app deciding for itself where to install on my machine - so I don't want to "Publish" an Octopus that I feel has such a flaw. I could just send out the .exe but I'd really like to just have a single installer that makes it easy the way Skarlot did.

[Freddie]

Heh, I understand Skarlot's attitude all too well. Many times over the years I've refused to give away source code because it didn't meet some internal standard of mine. Even though the program worked fine and the code was good enough for its purpose.

I had the same reaction to ClickOnce as you when I first encountered it. After banging my head against the wall I finally paid attention to what the ClickOnce team was saying about their intentions.

With ClickOnce (assuming we're talking about web deployment) the app is like a web page. ClickOnce is like a browser. A ClickOnce pseudo-shortcut (they aren't real shortcuts, you may not have noticed that yet) is like a bookmark on a favorites list.

The local copy of the app is like a browser's temporarily cached local copy of a web page.

The real copy of the the app is on the web. (Again, assuming we're talking about web deployment.)

I've actually gotten to like this idea a lot. It's perfect for Mojo during its alpha/beta because I'll be putting out 2 or 3 new builds a week for months, and ClickOnce automatically updates the cached "page."

It's also incredibly easy to make a ClickOnce installer. Takes just a couple of minutes with Visual Studio.

I'll send you a PM.

[WaffleFrie]

ok, it's not like a "quick switch" really for me. best way to explain is when you have your profile set in the status screen like say i've got my "hero 2 box" all my maximizers and all keys everything like that set and then i want to play my shattered galaxy 5box so when i change the profile it'd change all my stuff over so i don't have to change over keys clicks and everything else. i guess you could call that a quick switch of sorts.

also having all the game clients show up on the client list would be really handy as far as running multiple pc's instead of just the clients running on that computer so you can customize a little eaiser.

OH and ummm instances, when it auto adds a window it says OK that one is waffleFriesL next one opened is WaffleFriesi and assigns the maximizer and recieves keys/clicks/whatever. that'd be the most handy thing for me, because i can't run the instances because Hero Online has a launcher that keeps me from running it from octo, so my maximizer won't apply to it.

[Sethra]

I had this problem too with my XKeys. I went to each key and did the following:
Add the "on-release" checkbox
Put Ctrl-F1 in both the top box and the buttom box
insert "Key Down" at the end of the top box line
insert "Key Up" at the end of the bottom box line.

Seems to be working now.

Thanks!