4x Rogue PTR

[Clovis]

I still enjoy watching Ellay's old videos, they're what got me to pick up the hobby, but lets be honest, when I watch the old 5v5 arena videos I can't help but to think how easy it was.

No cleave/everyone has AOE, no shadow fury, 1 bubble class - I mean, all you really had to deal with was line of sight.

The burst was waaaaay lower which is what made the comp so good - as 4 elemental shamans back then we could burst people before everyone could.

original yah, but the impressive part was doing it alone. i think that's the ultimate goal here for boxers, to do it alone. getting 1800 alone is a lot more impressive than 2200 with help imo. next would be gladiator the way ellay was doing it back in season 3 or so with like 98 wins and 2 losses and had every top team dodging him at the end of the season. that shit was amazing.

[Naysayer]

I still enjoy watching Ellay's old videos, they're what got me to pick up the hobby, but lets be honest, when I watch the old 5v5 arena videos I can't help but to think how easy it was.

No cleave/everyone has AOE, no shadow fury, 1 bubble class - I mean, all you really had to deal with was line of sight.

The burst was waaaaay lower which is what made the comp so good - as 4 elemental shamans back then we could burst people before everyone could.

And in season 10 we will be saying the same things in general about 4xmelee burst that has recently been discovered to work due to IWT changes, just like when ellay showed everyone that shaman burst worked back then.

"it was so easy back then, you didn't have to deal with what we have now"...

Someone showed you what they found to work, and you copied it. It wasn't easy before that, and it wasn't easy for the originator to figure out how to get it to work. Being a copycat isn't as impressive as the guy who put in the work to solve all of the problems for you. So, give credit where credit is due.