Accounts with Different Owners

[Zseth]

Vyn with the HAMMER OF JUSTICE

[marvein]

thank you again vyn


and im not up on the change history of the TOS but there was a time where you could actually give away your account to someone and it was legit. Then people were like "oh I give you my account for free" "why thank you here have a gift of money" and blizzard killed that too.

[Vyndree]

thank you again vyn


and im not up on the change history of the TOS but there was a time where you could actually give away your account to someone and it was legit. Then people were like "oh I give you my account for free" "why thank you here have a gift of money" and blizzard killed that too.

Changes to the Terms of Use Agreement or the Program.
Blizzard reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete any of the terms and conditions of this Agreement at any time, including without limitation access policies, the availability of any feature of the Program, hours of availability, content, data, software or equipment needed to access the Program, effective with or without prior notice; provided, however, that material changes (as determined in Blizzard’s sole and absolute discretion) will be disclosed as follows: Blizzard will provide you with notification of any such changes to the Program through a patch process, or by email, postal mail, website posting, pop-up screen, or in-game notice. If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you must terminate, and immediately stop using, the Program and the Account. Your continued use of the Program following any revision to this Agreement constitute your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. Blizzard may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Program at any time. Blizzard may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Program without notice or liability.

hehe

Blizz is good at covering their asses.

[Eteocles]

What if say, our account was given to us prior to the TOU/EULA change stating it's not allowed? And noone but you has ever touched the account ;p My original account, my main one now, was given to me the first April after Launch; friend quit, gave me his account, been mine since. He got nothing in return for it, he just wanted to quit ;p

[Suribusi]

While you would probably get away with this, it is technically against the TOU and clearly stated as such.

And the worst case is you get one or more accounts banned.

No, it won't get the accounts banned. Nearly everything on this forum is technically against the TOU. We're talking risk. It is is minimal to non-existant in this case, providing my aforementioned parameters.

-S

wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong. what we are doing is NOT against the TOS. using accounts that are not yours IS against the TOS

I have first hand, in-depth and extensive knowledge on account issues and software related matters when it comes to WoW and their admins, which is why I try to provide what information I can in a correct manner when subjects such as these arise. I'm not going to have a pissing match with you. What people choose to believe or accept is up to them. I would, however, not be so quick to state things as fact if they are not, in fact, fact.

-S

[marvein]

While you would probably get away with this, it is technically against the TOU and clearly stated as such.

And the worst case is you get one or more accounts banned.

No, it won't get the accounts banned. Nearly everything on this forum is technically against the TOU. We're talking risk. It is is minimal to non-existant in this case, providing my aforementioned parameters.

-S

wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong. what we are doing is NOT against the TOS. using accounts that are not yours IS against the TOS

I have first hand, in-depth and extensive knowledge on account issues and software related matters when it comes to WoW and their admins, which is why I try to provide what information I can in a correct manner when subjects such as these arise. I'm not going to have a pissing match with you. What people choose to believe or accept is up to them. I would, however, not be so quick to state things as fact if they are not, in fact, fact.

-S

you are welcome to your opinion but you should direct your attention to the facts posted by vyn which I was basing my statements on. So what I stated, at this time until the TOS changes was indeed, fact. thank you for your time.

And I direct the same statement back at you, you may claim to be, know, talk to, be involved with whatever you want but whoever you claim to be is irrelevant, it is the ToS and EULA that determines what can and cannot be done in this game.

[kalih]

You can still "give" your account away. Sort of. I believe you need to email blizzard and have them wipe it. And then you must delete all installs and transfer all hardware, etc.

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.

[Vyndree]

You can still "give" your account away. Sort of. I believe you need to email blizzard and have them wipe it. And then you must delete all installs and transfer all hardware, etc.

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.

The recipient can't agree to the terms of the license agreement if it's your account and you're trading/selling it. However, they can agree to the license agreement if it's an unused account that you'd like to gift.

I would also argue that the "original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game" wouldn't be original anymore after you've activated the account key. But that's more of a gray opinion than black & white.

[Vyndree]

I have first hand, in-depth and extensive knowledge on account issues and software related matters when it comes to WoW and their admins, which is why I try to provide what information I can in a correct manner when subjects such as these arise. I'm not going to have a pissing match with you.

I don't mean to get into a "pissing" match with you, Suri. I'm just quoting information so that others can have "first hand, in-depth and extensive knowledge" on blizzard's public policies so they can make their own decisions.

What you choose to do with your own accounts is your own business, and I'm happy to leave it at that. All I'm doing is sharing information.

I would, however, not be so quick to state things as fact if they are not, in fact, fact. What people choose to believe or accept is up to them.

At the same time, you've offered no proof that your statements are in fact, fact. Whereas, my proof from Blizzard's official website does offer some proof of facts that support the common arguments on this forum. As always, you're welcome to your opinions and so is everyone else, so let's please not discourage people from sharing opinions and information.

Though I do suppose that Blizz's ban policy on anything "against the spirit of the game" does blanket pretty much anything into that vague description, Blizz could ban alot of people for doing absolutely nothing if they wanted to. So in that case, yes. Anything you do on WoW could be against the ToU/EULA and could get you banned for things "against the spirit of the game". In that case, multiboxing is against the Terms of Use as long as multiboxing is against the spirit of the game.

And a quote for good faith:

Rules of Conduct.
As with all things, your use of the Program is governed by certain rules of conduct. These rules of conduct (the "Rules of Conduct"), maintained and enforced exclusively by Blizzard, must be adhered to by all users of the Service. It is your responsibility to know, understand and abide by these Rules of Conduct. The following rules are not meant to be exhaustive, and Blizzard reserves the right to determine which conduct it considers to be outside the spirit of the Game and to take such disciplinary measures as it sees fit up to and including termination and deletion of the Account. Blizzard reserves the right to modify these Rules of Conduct at any time.

Nonetheless, certain acts go beyond what is "fair" and are considered serious violations of these Terms of Use. Those acts include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:

• Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;
  Conduct prohibited by the EULA or these Terms of Use, including without limitation that conduct prohibited by Section 2(C); and
  Anything that Blizzard considers contrary to the "essence" of the Program.

[Suribusi]

I don't mean to get into a "pissing" match with you, Suri. I'm just quoting information so that others can have "first hand, in-depth and extensive knowledge" on blizzard's public policies so they can make their own decisions.

I agree. I should not have posted. Rather than draw out the "grey line" type arguments, it is always better to simply steer folks away from it. That way we do not contribute to someones decision that they may regret later, but does not affect us.

At the same time, you've offered no proof that your statements are in fact, fact. Whereas, my proof from Blizzard's official website does offer some proof of facts that support the common arguments on this forum. As always, you're welcome to your opinions and so is everyone else, so let's please not discourage people from sharing opinions and information.

A valid point as well. I deal with both of these issues on a daily basis (accounts and fires), in a place where I'm more of a.... admin I guess you could say. One of the unpleasantries is having to put out the fires when some random person comes in shouting "OMGZ, TEH SKY IS FALLING!". It is always FUD and misinformation they are spouting. I should not have brought that to this thread or forums. :wink:

I am not known here; Therefore the information I provide could easily be seen as misguided. Maybe over time that will change, but for now I'll just hold back on addressing peoples concerns about this stuff. If you check my posts a lot of them are in threads like these. One of the problems I face is that I cannot reveal a lot of my sources without compromising my identity here. So again, I'll just refrain. :wink:

Though I do suppose that Blizz's ban policy on anything "against the spirit of the game" does blanket pretty much anything into that vague description, Blizz could ban alot of people for doing absolutely nothing if they wanted to. So in that case, yes. Anything you do on WoW could be against the ToU/EULA and could get you banned for things "against the spirit of the game". In that case, multiboxing is against the Terms of Use as long as multiboxing is against the spirit of the game.

And a quote for good faith:

Rules of Conduct.
As with all things, your use of the Program is governed by certain rules of conduct. These rules of conduct (the "Rules of Conduct"), maintained and enforced exclusively by Blizzard, must be adhered to by all users of the Service. It is your responsibility to know, understand and abide by these Rules of Conduct. The following rules are not meant to be exhaustive, and Blizzard reserves the right to determine which conduct it considers to be outside the spirit of the Game and to take such disciplinary measures as it sees fit up to and including termination and deletion of the Account. Blizzard reserves the right to modify these Rules of Conduct at any time.

Nonetheless, certain acts go beyond what is "fair" and are considered serious violations of these Terms of Use. Those acts include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:

• Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;
  Conduct prohibited by the EULA or these Terms of Use, including without limitation that conduct prohibited by Section 2(C); and
  Anything that Blizzard considers contrary to the "essence" of the Program.

This was one of the points I was mentioning, but didn't have the time to get an exact quote from their page.

So to the OP: Don't transfer your wifes character, don't use your friends account. Buy new copies of the game and level up normally and you will have little, if any problems.

-S