5 Man PVP - Healer Worth It?

[Meshuggenah]

I don't know how anyone boxes any group in PvP without a shaman. One fear and you're toast. BG's/Arena will be a very frustrating experience for you after a few people learn how easily they can wreck your setup by simply fear bombing you.

[shaeman]

A mutlbox group is as susceptible to fear bombs as any single player.

So they have the same facilities available to them. Racials, in some cases, trinkets in others.
With the advent of click to move and interact with target, regrouping can be easier.
In arena I imagine it will be very rough but in BG's not so much.

I've recently started a DK team - it will be 4 DK's and a priest. All undead.
One trinket, one will of the forsaken.

For the warlocks mentioned in the thread I'm wondering if the teleport facility could be used.
e.g they lay down the teleport and stand away from it. Surveying the team you know whether a fear bomb is even likely.
If a rush is incoming, dot up and teleport. I don't know if the teleport is instant cast though and that could be a huge flaw in my strategy.

[Meshuggenah]

A mutlbox group is as susceptible to fear bombs as any single player.

I disagree. A boxed group is a much bigger target than any single player. How often to Rogue's or fear classes intentionally seek out and stalk individual characters in WG's/BG's? Happen's to me frequently as a boxer. The fear-ers usually give up immediately when they realize it has no effect.

All it takes is a single player smart enough to realize that he can shaft your whole group by simply following you around and fear bombing you, and you will spend more time running around trying to regroup your alts than contributing to the BG.

[shaeman]

. How often to Rogue's or fear classes intentionally seek out and stalk individual characters in WG's/BG's? Happen's to me frequently as a boxer. The fear-ers usually give up immediately when they realize it has no effect.

All it takes is a single player smart enough to realize that he can shaft your whole group by simply following you around and fear bombing you, and you will spend more time running around trying to regroup your alts than contributing to the BG.

Rogues I would say spend a lot of time stalking down individual players, prior to the broken form of fan of knives that was all they would do - and preferably clothies. I know - I solo played a warlock, and my poor locks back resembles a pin cushion from all the alliance rogues that made friends with him

Aoe fear classes look for groups of characters. A multiboxer falls in to that category so it may feel like you are being targetted. However if you weren't around I can bet they are rushing in to other groups of the enemy and aoe fearing.

Again, on my solo lock i would be looking for groups of enemy.

1. to sew seed of corruption or 2. to rush in to a group defending something and scatter them.
I broke many groups of alliance guarding the gy outside the bosses bunker using a kamikaze howl of terror run.

Of course in Arena you are likely to run into folks with multiple aoe fears and coordination which makes it a big issue.

[Meshuggenah]

Aoe fear classes look for groups of characters. A multiboxer falls in to that category so it may feel like you are being targetted. However if you weren't around I can bet they are rushing in to other groups of the enemy and aoe fearing.

I think you're underestimating how much people dislike Multiboxers. Especially after you've killed them a few times. I frequently have individual characters stalk me in BG's just to disrupt my group. Fearing, sapping one of my shamans when I'm trying to move between points or defend something. Frequently they won't even attack. They're just either annoyed because they died, or dislike multiboxing and want to do everything they can to irritate you.

Occasionally, which is worse, it's an organized group and they will assign one of these classes specifically to follow you around and prevent you from contributing.. which, without a reliable way to break fear (even single fear), isn't hard. Doesn't happen much in zerg's like AV/WG, but in BG10's all it takes is a single Rogue/Lock to keep a multiboxer occupied and turn it into a 9v5 BG. Granted, TT has no effect on Rogues, but you can't really compare trinket or WoTF to TremorTotem in those situations.

[jddc78]

Have you considered using a Shaman as a healer, then?

I LOVE resto shamans as healers in my PvE groups, but they would not be very good for this group. The issue comes back to mobility. I don't want to stop with this group ... ever if I can get away with it. My mobility is my biggest asset. Any time I stop I'll be increasing the odds that I can get feared, stunned, sapped, AoEed, etc. All are considerably easier to pull off on a stationary target or targets. This is why I chose locks are my primary DPS - they do not need to face the target to do considerable dmg. I can start running and never stop - as long as I can keep my group from getting CCed of course . Your suggestion of all priests could be a cool group to run as well. I could see that also being a very mobile group.

The only 2 healers I really considered for this group are the druid or the priest because I need them to keep moving with the group while they heal. While not all of their healing abilities are possible while moving, they can load a target up with HoTs and the priest can do the same as well as shield. That selection was probably a tossup.

[shaeman]

I think you're underestimating how much people dislike Multiboxers. Especially after you've killed them a few times. I frequently have individual characters stalk me in BG's just to disrupt my group. Fearing, sapping one of my shamans when I'm trying to move between points or defend something. Frequently they won't even attack. They're just either annoyed because they died, or dislike multiboxing and want to do everything they can to irritate you.

Occasionally, which is worse, it's an organized group and they will assign one of these classes specifically to follow you around and prevent you from contributing.. which, without a reliable way to break fear (even single fear), isn't hard. Doesn't happen much in zerg's like AV/WG, but in BG10's all it takes is a single Rogue/Lock to keep a multiboxer occupied and turn it into a 9v5 BG. Granted, TT has no effect on Rogues, but you can't really compare trinket or WoTF to TremorTotem in those situations.

I know exactly how much folks like to focus on boxers - as i've already stated I levelled 95% from 66 - 80 in battlegrounds.
You seem to contradict yourself - in an earlier post you state that you get "stalked" by these AOE fear classes, but they soon give up when they realise your tremor totem makes you immune. Yet in this post you are saying that you can get locked down by a single rogue or a warlock. Something isn't adding up here.

To the original poster - i planned on 4 warlocks and a priest. Holy nova heals and damages. cast on the move and with a discipline priest can shield.

[jddc78]

I don't know how anyone boxes any group in PvP without a shaman

Going to give it a try and see how it goes . While I see your point in the usefulness of tremor totem, I already have 2 shaman in each of my PvE groups. Even if they are a great PvP class, I really don't want another Shaman heavy group. I like the idea of a completely mobile kiting-style group for PvP.

I know there are going to be plenty of times people will get the jump on this group and cause some havoc, it's the fact that I can continue running around and ignore facing issues (while dotting up my opponent) that appeals to me with this group. When people drop fear bombs on me I'm just going to have to hope that I've already dropped 8-12 dots on them while I'm hopelessly running around. If not, I'll just have to use a recovery method or tip my hat to them for picking me apart. I can live with another opponent beating me ... I get frustrated when my inability to control the party (such as facing/following/etc) leads to my demise.

[Meshuggenah]

Have you considered using a Shaman as a healer, then?

If you're really OK with no TT's, then I'd suggest a full priest group. That's what I'd be rolling I wasn't concerned about fear. 4Priests+Mage or simply 5Priests. Some people might say a Warlock over a Mage as the 5th, but I personally think Mage sync's much better.

Priests at least have FearWard. And an impressive amount of DoT's, instant party heals, single burst and a ranged AoE.