Some questions

[Ualaa]

I'm currently using Keyclone, but a lot of the IS features are tempting me to switch my boxing software.
If anyone has answers to these, I'd appreciate your time.

Thanks.





1. I currently use four action bars (default wow bars) with keybinds which extensively use all three modifiers (Alt, Ctrl, Shift). I know my keybinds well, and am curious if this would interfere with Inner Space's automatic FTL (which is a major selling point of IS for me). Is it easier to clear all the keybinds, start IS and build hotkeys from scratch or to attempt to preserve hotkeys?


2. With this macro keybound to Shift H, and functioning differently depending on if Alt is pressed or not, will this interfere with the automatic FTL settings?
--- /use [nomod:alt] Healthstone
--- /cast [mod:alt] Ritual of Souls


3. I use the target=targettarget assist method from the No Focus Manifesto. Basically each toon targets my leader and casts at the leader's target. From my understanding of IS, it has automatic FTL assisting for the 1 through = keys, so I'd basically just put the desired spell on the button straight from the wow spellbook, instead of using a target=targettarget based macro?


4. I have a G15 keyboard, which is mostly obscure keybinds which I'd very rarely press accidently. Within the wow client, I have buttons on those keybinds. Things like Jamba Follow, Jamba Group Invite, Keyclone PiP swaps, Interact with Target, Toon specific heals etc. From Zanthor's "Zero to Hero" post, it says to close the Profiler Software; can I still use the G15 (via IS) for hotkeys and macro's?


5. Are far as setting up IS, how much of Zanthor's "Zero to Hero" post is relevant now that there is a wizard?


6. Lax has posted that the instant PiP swaps is due to rendering each window at full resolution at all times. I'm running an i7 920, 12gb ram (1600mhz), HD 4870X2, 10k rpm Raptor on a 30" inch monitor (2560 x 1600 resolution).. Will this still be smooth enough to not lose follow in Dalaran/Wintergrasp while mounted (5 clients, minimal settings except view distance on the main)?
With Keyclone, and my pally leading I can lose follow with Crusader Aura on while mounted on epic flyers, with any other toon leading (or Crusader Aura off) I've been unable to break follow aside from having toons stuck on things.


7. The mouse repeat regions for healing is a feature I'm very interested in. I'm using Grid + Grid Custom Layouts, which allows for a consistent order within the grid window. Would I make a single repeat region covering the entire grid frame or one region for each character box within grid?

[Lax]

1. No, you do not need to make any changes to your action bar keys. However, by default, only 1-= will be done with the FTL-based auto-assist. You can copy the mapped keys made by the Quick Setup Wizard and have the modified versions work just the same (e.g. add new ones for shift+1 through shift+= and so on, exactly the same as the 1-= ones).

2. No. Not all keys have, or need, FTL. The FTL only applies to the specific "Assist" "Follow" and "Target" functions -- everything else works as-is

3. Correct. You will not need [target=targettarget]

4. You can keep your existing G15 setup if you prefer. I like to disable the Profiler and set up these keys directly through ISBoxer instead of through the Logitech profiler. This allows you to write the macros in ISBoxer instead of in the game, AND bind them to the G15. That is opposed to setting up a macro in game, assigning it to something like ctrl+shift+alt+z, and telling the G15 software to press ctrl+shift+alt+Z. In other words, that whole process is given to you in a single interface. To keep your existing G15 profile, ALL you need to do is run the Logitech Keyboard Profiler as Administrator, and use it as you always have.

5. 20%-ish. The Wizard does not create Repeater Regions or explain them to you, for example. However, nearly all of it is handled by the Quick Setup Wizard. Zanthor has been a little busy and has not had the time to update the guide to add the Quick Setup Wizard usage -- and it would have to be retitled to Zero to Hero in 5 minutes instead of 30

6. Only one way to find out! Feel free to request a trial. With that system, I don't foresee any problem though.

7. Drag the one region so the red area covers the entire Grid. You don't need different ones unless you want separation between the regions, or if you want to send the mouse to other clients. For example, some people have found it useful to send the left half of unit frames to a main healer, and the right half to backup healers or other characters for buffs.

[Ualaa]

A question on "Mapped Keys vs Keyboard Repeater".

With Keyclone, I have "pause" set to interrupt the broadcasting.

In IS, is Keyboard Repeater on, essentially the same as Keyclone's default behavior?
And is toggling repeater off, the same as the Keyclone's pause key?

And...
Are mapped keys then specific keys (or combinations), which are broadcast even when Keyboard Repeater is off?









If I were to put the "Spam Button" for a Click Castsequence on say Key 1 for all my toons in a set.
This has the automatic FTL settings turned on.
Something like:
/Click MultiBarRightButton1
/Click MultiBarRightButton2
/Click MultiBarRightButton3
/Click MultiBarRightButton4

But, let's say the keys on MultiBarRight are not automatic FTL broadcast keys...
Will the other toons still assist correctly?
Or would I have to copy the wizard, to make those buttons auto FTL like the default bar (1 to =) ?

[Lax]

I don't know the details of Keyclone's operation to tell you whether it is basically the same, but as I understand it, yes that would be accurate. Mapped keys indeed are processed even when Key Repeat is off -- whether it "broadcasts" or not is up to the actual mapping

For your spam button, you would make a Mapped Key with the hotkey of your choice (e.g. 1). It would have 1 Step, meaning that each time you press it, it does the same thing. It would have 2 Actions, first is a "Do Mapped Key Action" which will do the "FTL Assist" mapped key in the "General" key map from the wizard. Then you will use either a Keystroke Action, or a WoW Macro Action, depending on whether you want to make this macro in ISBoxer or in WoW. Either way, you pick a key combination for ISBoxer to press when you press the Hotkey -- it doesn't have to match the Hotkey. If it's a WoW Macro Action you make sure you don't use an action bar key as the key combination for it to press, since it can't replace the action bar buttons (for this reason, some people still like to make their macros in WoW in order to have them visible on the action bar).

Soooo for example..
It might be set up like this:
Hotkey: 1
Step 1 Actions:

1. Do Mapped Key "FTL Assist" in "General"
2. Keystroke Action: Press 1

.. which is precisely what the wizard is setting up for the 1 key by default. Or it could be this:

Hotkey: Alt+Q
Step 1 Actions:

1. Do Mapped Key "FTL Assist" in "General"
2. Keystroke Action: Press Shift+Ctrl+P

I should add that for each of the actions, you get to determine which characters take the action. It is relatively common to have multiple actions in order to have it press different keys in different windows. The action bar keys from the wizard will have "all w/o current" (aka "all other") do the assist, and then "all w/ current" (aka "all") press 1.

[Jhax]

The comment I would add about the wizard, is to run it and see what it does.

The resulting setup is very tidy, neat and gives a real insight into what can be achieved. Take some time and work through how the different actions are acheived.

I spent months playing with a setup I created, using a focus based master. I recently ran the wizard and have since changed to the default FTL setup, not looked back since.

My gaming requirements are being steadily ported across to the structure created by the wizard.

what I am trying to say is there are lots of ways of achieving the same result using ISboxer, which can be very messy and complicated. The Wizard gives you are clean and simple and very eficiennt template to build on.

[PhantomRogue]

The best thing to do, like Jhax said, is to run the Quick Setup guide. Understand how the Keymaps, Repeater, Layout and Character sets work, then modify them according to your own needs.

I modified the QuickSetup DPS Keys to where the Keypress 2, has 2 steps, First press broadcasts my totem script, second press of 2, recalls them. And 1 is the "Spam" key, I use almost the exact same script (bunch of /clicks, each calling /castsequence macros).

But i would have never been able to do those without the quick setup wizard and looking through the keymaps, actions and whatnot. Also, sittin in the IS IRC always helps.

As for question 6, you should have no problem, i run the same processor, only 4 Gigs of RAM and a gx260 card, and i don't lag at all.

[suicidesspyder]

Switching from keyclone to isboxer was my biggest step. The setup even with using wizard is by far more advanced. Ask anyone i still ask questions to this date be working with isboxer about a month now too. But i think i got more of a handle on it now, and to be honest i love it. I use two moniters on for main and one for the alts and ill tell u what its so nice to just click on a screen and it switches with barely a hickup. So yea keyclone and isboxer have similarities but when it comes to over all appeal isboxer does things that keyclone cant do. But keyclone is a great beggining to understand things with that kind of program becuase it makes the transition to isboxer a tad smoother in the long run.

[Ualaa]

Well, both Keyclone and Lax have given very good support for their products.
I started with Keyclone and am quite happy with it.
That said, several features of IS have strong appeal.

I've purchased a year subscription to IS, and will try the wizard.
See how it goes.

[Ualaa]

I'm having an issue getting assist to work.

On the top, under Keymaps, I have General Keymaps selected.

On the Left, with FTL Assist Me selected.
And on the right I have chosen G2 as the hotkey.
Hold and Keystroke Actions in unchanged with Default selected.
WoW: Use FTL Modifiers is unchanged with On.

On the left, with 1 selected (under FTL Assist Me and Steps)
On the right, under Step and then under Actions, the wizard gave me Assist Me - > all other
It then has Target - Window: All w/o Current.
Key Combination F
Display as (in Step) Assist Me
But First has an unselected option which is cut off (cannot read what it says, even with the Toolkit maximized), "Target Hot Character" is selected and "Restore Target Afterwards" is not selected.
As applied to has <Any Slot> selected.









Under Character Sets (top), I have chosen my Pally/Shaman's group.
On the left, under slots, I have 1 selected.
On the right, I have G13 as the hotkey to switch to this character.
On the right, When I switch to this character is checked.
On the right, Do this Mapped Key is selected.
Key Map, Control is selected.
Mapped Key, Follow/JambaMaster is selected.
Left Control is checked for FTL Modifiers.

Everything is the same for 2, except:
G14 is the switch hotkey and Right Control is checked for FTL Modifiers.

Everything is the same for 3, except:
G15 is the switch hotkey and Left Alt is checked for FTL Modifiers.

Everything is the same for 4, except:
G16 is the switch hotkey and Right Alt is checked for FTL Modifiers.

Everything is the same for 5, except:
G17 is the switch hotkey and Left Control and Left Alt are checked for FTL Modifiers.

When in game, if I press G13, in addition to switching toons, each toon also pressed the 3rd hotkey on the default bar (same behavior as pressing 3, except 3 is only the spell and not the toon swap).
When in game, if I press G14 or G15, only the hot character switches.
When in game, if I press G16, in addition to switching toons, each character presses the 4th hotkey on the default bar (same behavior as pressing 4, except 4 is only the spell and not the toon swap).
When in game, if I press G17, in addition to switching toons, each character presses the 5th hotkey on the default bar (same behavior as pressing 5, except 5 is only the spell and not the toon swap).

G1 through G5 are functioning like F1 through F5.
I don't have G1, G4 or G5 configured to do anything in IS Boxer Toolkit.
G2 is my non-functioning FTL Assist Me Keymap, under General Keymaps (see first issue above).
G3 is my FTL Follow Me Keymap, which does not work.
G7 and G11 aren't doing anything.
G8, G9, G10 and G12 are acting like F8, F9, F10 and F12 (again not configured to do anything in ISBoxer).


MR is set as a toggle for Jamba Strobe On, with the light on when strobe is on.
All of the toons follow correctly regardless of leader with MR on, and until broken continue to follow once MR is turned off.

[Ualaa]

When I press G13 to switch to the toon in Slot 1, every toon other then the one in Slot 5 automatically begins to follow. With G14, all toons except the Slot 5 toon again auto follow the toon in Slot 2.

When I press G15, G16 or G17, all toons follow the new toon.

Not sure why the toon in Slot 5 will not follow on these two switches -- G13 (Slot 1) and G14 (Slot 2)