I play almost exclusively AV alliance and a turtle early on usually results in either a quick loss or a prolonged defeat,somtimes it doesn't but its rare on my BG.

AV IMO isn't meant to be some repetative grind,changing things up is fun which is what playing games is all about.

Frankly with that many shamans,learning to defend your group against zergs at first is much more important than rng,seeing as soon as the op4 learns your boxing they will pretty much chase you around AV looking to nuke your team,with half their Raid.

No embarassment for the 16 boxer at all.