What determines a main spec?

[Otlecs]

In all honesty, Shaeman, I think you're giving this more emotional energy than it deserves.

The fact is that the guy acted like a prick and deserved a response. The game doesn't give you many avenues through which to make that response and I really don't see that you have anything to feel bad about.

If you'd gone on to the next boss and then ninja-looted everything then I also wouldn't have had much of a problem with it to be honest, although that might have been harder to come back from.

But then I'm a very black and white sort of person!

I would perhaps have felt bad for the rest of the raid being caught in the cross-fire of what should have been a private disagreement, but from what you said they were all pretty much from the same mould anyway.

By all means have a chat to your son to explain why you acted the way you did, but don't let him think that it's ok to be treated like a doormat, even in a computer game. There are enough hand-wringing, liberal (with a small "L" - no politics here!) apologists in the world.

Either way, you're both better off without that particular guild.

[shaeman]

In all honesty, Shaeman, I think you're giving this more emotional energy than it deserves.

You are definitely right there. I can guarantee the ninja looting turd isn't giving it a second thought

I regret the boss pull, only for those that didn't say a thing. The rest I could care less.
My main concern this morning was that I was in the wrong with my understanding of main spec and that's been cleared up.

So I'll draw a line under it, chalk it up to experience and move on.

Of course - I'm no longer going to transfer my shammies to the alliance and keep an eye out for this turd in the battlegrounds. (shame i'm not on a pvp server

[Stealthy]

I've seen this type of thing happen many times before...and can only offer this advice:

If it's not a 100% guild run, always clarify the loot rules before you start the raid. Be specific - tell them what spec you are playing and if you can role on that particular spec's loot if it drops.

This way if they ninja the gear you can report them, as blizzard now considers these types of actions scamming.

Source:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...No=9&sid=1#165

Hope this helps...

Cheers,
S.

[Otlecs]

Crikey.

Nice find Stealthy. I would have fought tooth and nail to say that GMs just wouldn't get involved in such minutiae, but would have obviously been wrong.

I guess Shaeman's son has a good case for petitioning now, regardless of the fact that Shaeman himself... accidentally... pulled the boss afterwards

FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that we have to rely on GMs to fix SO MUCH of what goes wrong in WoW, but there you go.

I found this especially enlightening:

Please understand that part of our goal, as Customer Service, is to ensure that players are held accountable to their actions, and that we do everything in our power to enforce our Policies in a nonbiased fashion.





That being said your actions here do clearly fall under the Scamming another Player section of our Scam Policy: (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20459) which clearly states:

• that this category includes:
  
  
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    • • Acquiring items or any other "possessions" from another player through misinformation, confusion, or fraud (Scamming)

Because it really does seem to fly in the face of this:

Q: I grouped with a "ninja-looter," can I get the item that I am entitled to returned?

A: Players that loot an item out of turn or against the group's wishes do not fit in the criteria of a scammer, and will not be investigated by the GM Staff.

Found on http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=20459

All hail the ambiguous nature of Blizzard's polciies and arbitrary GM decisions....

In fact, the more I look at that thread, the more it feels like an anomlous action on the part of the GM.

[Unreal316]

Seems like to me the issue is the guy told your son to go a certain spec, when your son refused(it not being his main) i guess he couldnt do anything about...at that moment. And when an item dropped for your son, out of spite he cheated him. That simple, its the nature of most wow players, its a game you cant "hurt" people so every oppertunity that comes around that can replace or facilitate that need wow players jump on it.

Out of curiousity was the guy who ninjaed the item a paladin too? If so then theres your reason. He prolly wanted your son to go a different spec so he could monopolize the item.

but from what i read, i can pretty much tell you that guilds like that dont last. Guild ldrs are just the person who owns the guild, not the people. And most of the time the ldr is the most uninvolved person in the guild. Or from my guild experiences they have been. Unless they are too much of a bunch of wusses who cant get into other guilds, he'll burn people one to many times and the guild will fall apart.

[shaeman]

Seems like to me the issue is the guy told your son to go a certain spec, when your son refused(it not being his main) i guess he couldnt do anything about...at that moment. And when an item dropped for your son, out of spite he cheated him. That simple, its the nature of most wow players, its a game you cant "hurt" people so every oppertunity that comes around that can replace or facilitate that need wow players jump on it.

Out of curiousity was the guy who ninjaed the item a paladin too? If so then theres your reason. He prolly wanted your son to go a different spec so he could monopolize the item.
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This guy was a paladin. He was after that item and tried to push my son into the role of healer so that he could then say he was holy spec. He did this in whisper. Wasn't asking for healers in the raid. So i am absolutely certain he intended this from the start.

[d0z3rr]

LOL, I would have totally pulled the boss too. And then got on vent and annoyed the shit out of them during a boss.

Why would you feel bad about pulling the boss? Who cares about the other people in the raid, they're dumb enough to continue raiding with an asshat leading them.

[Multibocks]

Someone has to stand up to the asshats of WoW. Thank you for being one of them, it's too bad all you could do was wipe the raid.