Engineering with in Arena?

[Homer]

You give up around 50 spellpower with eng, Glove enchant(Only usable thing in arena) and loosing 1 prof

[heyaz]

Well, you convinced me not to go engineering. I don't like internal trinket cooldowns. I love me some spell power on demand.

I did jc/enchanting on my main and I'm disappointed with enchanting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with epic gems it's now the exact same benefit as having blacksmithing - only without all the different gems. If you wanted spell power you could go BS and put in two more +23 spell power gems, then it's no different right?

[Homer]

It does not take your trinket CD if that's what you mean

[alcattle]

I think he was referring to changing trickets during a fight. Anytime you change, it goes on cooldown

[Extreme]

(first of all, sry 4 my bad english )
all my 4 shamans have engineering and its awesome!

in pvp its a very good extra bust every 45sec
(you cant use the frag belt in arenas but it's very helpful in battlegrounds, 0,5sec casttime for a 3 sec aoe stun and you can use it when you are running)

if you are an engineer you can equip the battlemasters trinket (111spellpower+3385life/15sec on use or the newer one with 160spellpower+4600life/15sec on use) and the titan-forged rune of audacity (111spellpower+ removing all cc effects), so you have not to "waste" a trinket slot for the resilence+spelldmg on use trinkets which have a 2min cd

yes, with JC or another profession you'll have more constant dmg, but in pvp we need burst and ... ehh .. burst! and with the hand-mounted pyro rocket you can have extra burst every 45sec (no GCD and 45y range!!!) with more burst your enemys die faster, and if they die faster you get less dmg from them.

if an enemy run out of range with low hp ... just pwn him with teh imba 45y flameshock+pyrorocket combo!
if someone is low hp, shocks,thunderstorm and all the rest is on cd ... just pwn him with ya pyrorockets!
*** engineering *** buy NOW *** it's amazing! *** be George W. Bush in WoW, bomb you enemys out of the arena *** only with pyrorockets *** try it ! ***

[heyaz]

I was under the impression that the pyro rocket and frag belt (maybe?) triggered a 10 second internal CD on trinket pops. No it doesn't burn you trinket cooldown, but from what I understand it does trigger a cooldown on it (making it impossible to pop, say, your sorcery disk and then a pyro rocket).

Other than that, I'm concerned about losing a lot of stats with engineering, and I'm not quite convinced (prove me otherwise!) that pyro rockets are the difference between a kill and an enemy at 10% hp that gets an instant heal. I wasn't able to kill full furious (or furious/deadly) players until I broke 2350 sp unbuffed, just because I'd always leave them at just a few % hp and miss the kill. I don't have furious weapons, relenetless accessories or all epic gems, but I think 2550 sp unbuffed is possible, and I can't imagine anyone surviving an instant cast x4 with over 3200 spell power with trinkets and blood fury.

Maybe I'm wrong about all this, but I've always found raw stats and spell power to be superior to one-off gimmicks. Maybe it's different in quad box arena. But what about everything else? WG, battlegrounds, world pvp. I'd hate for my finishing move to be a engineering thing that was on cooldown when I needed it,

[Extreme]

the cooldown is only 45sec so it's very short. it's up when you need it.

and yes, if you use the pyrorockets you "on use" trinkets gets a 10sec cooldown, and if you use you trinket first your pyrorockets gets a 20sec cd.
(only offensive trinkets)

Other than that, I'm concerned about losing a lot of stats with engineering, and I'm not quite convinced (prove me otherwise!) that pyro rockets are the difference between a kill and an enemy at 10% hp that gets an instant heal.

to kill or not to kill, that is the question
dead is dead and alive is alive, pyrorockets can chance the status of your enemys from alive to dead without a gcd

[asonimie]

Maybe I'm wrong about all this, but I've always found raw stats and spell power to be superior to one-off gimmicks. Maybe it's different in quad box arena. But what about everything else? WG, battlegrounds, world pvp. I'd hate for my finishing move to be a engineering thing that was on cooldown when I needed it,

This is kinda how I feel. I like raw stats. Having said that I AM thinking about trying the rockets out... its a crazy amount of gold to spend on testing something.. but meh. As mentioned by ellay, equipping the 160sp trinket instead of the burst trinket sounds appealing to me... so I may actually do this for that reason, 160 BASE spellpower and a health boost wouldnt be bad at all. And @Extreme, I do have burst as well, only slightly less.

[asonimie]

And also... how much spell pen are you engineers sitting on? As much as I like the SP+Parachute cloak underlay... I don't see it possible to achieve the necessary 120-130 SPen without the +35pen to cloak. Also, if I drop JC I don't see how I will ever achieve the correct spell pen either.

[Ellay]

parachute cloak? I don't think I ever have a need for using that :P my spell pen is a little low though. I do need to work it up to 120-130.