Twinks and lack of games

[Ughmahedhurtz]

To clarify my OP a bit, I'm not wishing twinks couldn't ever queue or anything. I just find it highly amusing that all the claims they've been trumpeting about their purest of motives are so much bullshit.

What was the old saying about watching how a person treats someone when it offers no reward? AKA the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

[Aradar]

I've never played a twink but I find it amusing that a community that is so hated for its choice on how to enjoy the game can turn around and do the same to another community based on a different choice, especially if you happen to pvp while multiboxing.

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks? It's simple math that when you restrict a part of the game to an alternative type of game play there likely isn't going to be the numbers to make that choice worthwhile. Imagine if boxers could only enter battlegrounds against other boxers within your battlegroup and you would get the same scenario.

It also doesn’t necessarily mean they were wrong in the size of their community. Our community has gotten to be a decent size but when you take a niche game style and spread it over multiple servers/battlegroups/time zones/age groups with differing priorities/responsibilities, it’s going to make it hard to get 20 of them together at the same time, and that’s just the smallest battleground.

On the flip side, I don’t think it’s something that blizzard needs to address. The game was not intended for their play style, much less ours, so the twinks need to figure out a solution on their own much like we do when mechanics of the game are changed/introduced that affect our play.

[Svpernova09]

I've never played a twink but I find it amusing that a community that is so hated for its choice on how to enjoy the game can turn around and do the same to another community based on a different choice, especially if you happen to pvp while multiboxing.

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks? It's simple math that when you restrict a part of the game to an alternative type of game play there likely isn't going to be the numbers to make that choice worthwhile. Imagine if boxers could only enter battlegrounds against other boxers within your battlegroup and you would get the same scenario.

It also doesn’t necessarily mean they were wrong in the size of their community. Our community has gotten to be a decent size but when you take a niche game style and spread it over multiple servers/battlegroups/time zones/age groups with differing priorities/responsibilities, it’s going to make it hard to get 20 of them together at the same time, and that’s just the smallest battleground.

On the flip side, I don’t think it’s something that blizzard needs to address. The game was not intended for their play style, much less ours, so the twinks need to figure out a solution on their own much like we do when mechanics of the game are changed/introduced that affect our play.

I'm not trying to harp on people who play twinks, by all means, play how you want. I had a couple twinks in my time. What I find amusing is twinks have been asking for this for a long while, some ability to turn off XP or only que against other twinks. Blizzard gave them both of these. If they turn off XP, they can only que against other people with XP off. Now there are long / nonexistent ques. Why is that? Simple. They can't start games that don't have enough players so the logical explanation is that there aren't enough twinks that have their XP off queing. It's not a far assumption from there that they aren't turning off their XP because they were just trying to justify themselves being qued with non-twinks. If all the twinks that were crying about wanting to play with other twinks DID go and turn off their XP, and que, then this wouldn't be in issue unless the BG just has a very, very small twink population.

I'm willing to wager the twink population is greater than the multiboxing population. You don't see wow forums completely overrun with people talking about multiboxing as you do twinks talking about twinking. If you're in doubt, go check your BG forums.

As I said before, I think this will cause twinks to migrate to other servers if they really want to play with other twinks, much like multiboxers have begun to migrate to servers with other boxers.

TL;DR I'm not the pot calling the kettle black, I'm very much amused that the crying child finally got his issues addressed and is now crying about it.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks?

On the face of it, you can't. But read some of the old twink threads where they're all "OMG that BG sucked! Almost no twinks and we just facerolled 'em in 5 minutes." Then go sit in Org and listen to those same twinks brag and boast about how they annihilated an entire group of "scrubby po-ass nubs" (that's a direct quote from a few weeks ago from one of the loudest-mouthed twinks on my server) without even losing half their health. I suppose I could have included that as the other half of the data set and my original point would have made more sense. :P

[Bot]

On the face of it, you can't. But read some of the old twink threads where they're all "OMG that BG sucked! Almost no twinks and we just facerolled 'em in 5 minutes." Then go sit in Org and listen to those same twinks brag and boast about how they annihilated an entire group of "scrubby po-ass nubs" (that's a direct quote from a few weeks ago from one of the loudest-mouthed twinks on my server) without even losing half their health. I suppose I could have included that as the other half of the data set and my original point would have made more sense. :P

those jerks dont speak for all twinks though. and that still doesnt support the argument based on the evidence given. thats just saying some twinks like steamrolling battlegrounds + some twinks are complaining that queues are too long = twinks never liked fighting each other even though they said they did. it doesnt add up. now if you show me a quote of all the twinks saying they hate fighting each other and that they wish they could just pwn noobs some more then ill be more inclined to agree with you. but right now and from what ive read it seems the majority of twinks are just looking for ways to get to play and are only really upset because of that fact.

it looks to me like its pretty much come down to unless blizz consolidates battlegroups for xp locked players (which they most likely wont do), the twinks are just gonna end up consolidating themselves into 2-3 battlegroups and havin a good ole time.


edit: i found evidence to support my claim here.

edit2: i havent read all of it so i may end up eating my foot

[kadaan]

I hopped into the 30-39 WSG bracket on an alt to see what the exp gain was like, and there was a twink there. He grabbed the flag, ran back to our base, and sat on the roof the whole game. We returned our flag and waited for him to cap, but he never did. He said "you guys ruined the game for twinks, so I'm just here to ruin the game for you now." 20 minutes and ~5% level exp later I got 2 tokens and was completely turned off of mixing BG's in with questing while leveling.

Yes, I put in a ticket as I assume he'll get some sort of warning about going "against the spirit of the game" but I'm not holding my breath.