Twinks and lack of games

[Ughmahedhurtz]

So I was reading around on various forums today and saw this thread where twinks are whining (shocking, ain't it?) about not having enough games to play.

Q u o t e:
All across the board people are complaining about the lack of games available to people with experience turned off, is anyone looking into this?

For a long time we've wanted to allow players to gain experience through Battlegrounds. One major issue with this though, is that we cannot have those players entering twink matches where they just get rolled over and over again, gaining virtually no experience. We don't want players who are participating in Battlegrounds while continuing their leveling experience on the same playing field as those who make the most of their character in a given level bracket and want to stay there.

If there are a lack of matches launching for those with experience gains turned off, it just shows that this isn't an exceedingly popular form of game play, at least not on some Battlegroups.

Q u o t e:
Have they thrown around the idea of pooling everyone with xp turned off into the same battlegroup ques?

Unfortunately, there are massive technical limitations that prevent this from being a viable solution.

Q u o t e:

I'm not asking for a solution in 5 minutes, but a blue response simply saying "we understand there is a problem" would be golden, and I wouldnt feel like we twinks are being ignored!

I wouldn't say we recognize it to be a problem. There are those who love to twink characters, purposefully trying to stay at a specific level with specific gear just so they're more powerful than the majority of the characters within at least 4 or 5 levels of them. Then there are those who wouldn't mind playing in a Battleground for fun now and then during the leveling process, particularly now that experience is offered. If Battleground queue times for twinks on any given Battlegroup are so long, I think it just goes to show what a small, niche form of game play twinking is.

As a company, we've never officially supported twinking. We've just been allowing it this whole time. Now with patch 3.2, we're technically supporting twinking by allowing players who aren't level capped to play in Battlegrounds without risking leveling up. The only fair way to do this though is to separate the twinks from everyone else, and thus you have whatever is left over in the twink queues.

So I got two things from that discussion:

1. Twinks who always say, "We'd rather play other twinks than normals" have been lying their hypocritical little scrub asses off. What, they expect me to now believe that prior to 3.2 they had mostly all-twink games all the time? Puh-leeze.
2. Blizzard says they're apparently a tiny minority of the subscriber base, which also gives the lie to their rampant prior claims of being a popular choice (in order to curry favor against changes like the leg armor and shoulder enchant removals).

My overall thoughts? ROFL! QQ moar.

[wendalf]

I agree with #1. Twinks are so used to having the upper hand and now they have to play against other twinks who may have a skill upper hand with the gear being fairly equal. Never going to make everyone happy. They need to learn to adapt and overcome.

[Svpernova09]

I agree with #1 and #2, I think it's amusing as hell they're having such a terrible experience in BGs, considering they ruined many experiences for me. I've twinked a few characters to see what the fuss was all about, and I never could get into it. Just comes down to it being a group of people who want to stack everything on their side and go demolish people who are just leveling, at best they're school yard bullies.

I think what this will lead to, (if they're smart, and enough that actually DO want to play with other twinks) they'll all migrate to the same server, or at the very least, the same battlegroup. where the rest of the WoW world can swiftly forget about them.

Until then, Care cup is empty: c[_], they can fill it with their tears.

[Ualaa]

Well..

Mixed feelings.


I don't want to see twinks vs normal players.
Then again, full arena gear players in the 71-80 bracket are twinks there too.

At the same time, they should be able to get games, vs equally geared other players.
And not sit there with a very lengthy queue to even get a game.

[Svpernova09]

Well..

Mixed feelings.


I don't want to see twinks vs normal players.
Then again, full arena gear players in the 71-80 bracket are twinks there too.

At the same time, they should be able to get games, vs equally geared other players.
And not sit there with a very lengthy queue to even get a game.

Thats the thing though, they can't get games against equally geared other players because those other equally geared players AREN'T queing. That's what is so amusing about it.

[Malekyth]

I think it's amusing as hell they're having such a terrible experience in BGs, considering they ruined many experiences for me.

HELL yes. I haven't been in a non-level cap Battleground since the last time I was reminded how imbalanced and un-fun the ubiquitous hardcore twinks make them. The new changes are wonderful. Screw those guys!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

To clarify my OP a bit, I'm not wishing twinks couldn't ever queue or anything. I just find it highly amusing that all the claims they've been trumpeting about their purest of motives are so much bullshit.

What was the old saying about watching how a person treats someone when it offers no reward? AKA the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

[Aradar]

I've never played a twink but I find it amusing that a community that is so hated for its choice on how to enjoy the game can turn around and do the same to another community based on a different choice, especially if you happen to pvp while multiboxing.

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks? It's simple math that when you restrict a part of the game to an alternative type of game play there likely isn't going to be the numbers to make that choice worthwhile. Imagine if boxers could only enter battlegrounds against other boxers within your battlegroup and you would get the same scenario.

It also doesn’t necessarily mean they were wrong in the size of their community. Our community has gotten to be a decent size but when you take a niche game style and spread it over multiple servers/battlegroups/time zones/age groups with differing priorities/responsibilities, it’s going to make it hard to get 20 of them together at the same time, and that’s just the smallest battleground.

On the flip side, I don’t think it’s something that blizzard needs to address. The game was not intended for their play style, much less ours, so the twinks need to figure out a solution on their own much like we do when mechanics of the game are changed/introduced that affect our play.

[Svpernova09]

I've never played a twink but I find it amusing that a community that is so hated for its choice on how to enjoy the game can turn around and do the same to another community based on a different choice, especially if you happen to pvp while multiboxing.

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks? It's simple math that when you restrict a part of the game to an alternative type of game play there likely isn't going to be the numbers to make that choice worthwhile. Imagine if boxers could only enter battlegrounds against other boxers within your battlegroup and you would get the same scenario.

It also doesn’t necessarily mean they were wrong in the size of their community. Our community has gotten to be a decent size but when you take a niche game style and spread it over multiple servers/battlegroups/time zones/age groups with differing priorities/responsibilities, it’s going to make it hard to get 20 of them together at the same time, and that’s just the smallest battleground.

On the flip side, I don’t think it’s something that blizzard needs to address. The game was not intended for their play style, much less ours, so the twinks need to figure out a solution on their own much like we do when mechanics of the game are changed/introduced that affect our play.

I'm not trying to harp on people who play twinks, by all means, play how you want. I had a couple twinks in my time. What I find amusing is twinks have been asking for this for a long while, some ability to turn off XP or only que against other twinks. Blizzard gave them both of these. If they turn off XP, they can only que against other people with XP off. Now there are long / nonexistent ques. Why is that? Simple. They can't start games that don't have enough players so the logical explanation is that there aren't enough twinks that have their XP off queing. It's not a far assumption from there that they aren't turning off their XP because they were just trying to justify themselves being qued with non-twinks. If all the twinks that were crying about wanting to play with other twinks DID go and turn off their XP, and que, then this wouldn't be in issue unless the BG just has a very, very small twink population.

I'm willing to wager the twink population is greater than the multiboxing population. You don't see wow forums completely overrun with people talking about multiboxing as you do twinks talking about twinking. If you're in doubt, go check your BG forums.

As I said before, I think this will cause twinks to migrate to other servers if they really want to play with other twinks, much like multiboxers have begun to migrate to servers with other boxers.

TL;DR I'm not the pot calling the kettle black, I'm very much amused that the crying child finally got his issues addressed and is now crying about it.

[heyaz]

I remember making a twink years ago, before it was popular. I was one of the only ones on Horde. When alliance started making twinks, I hated it. I hated playing other rogues/hunters/paladins that were twinked out and could kill me.

The only fun in it was rolling people who weren't twinked. It eventually got to where we did 10 on 10 twink premades, which were fun for about 2 days until we realized they were just going to be hour long turtle matches.