Negative gold!

[wendalf]

I would love to hear about someone who can...grind real money with some type of business or something.

If there were items that I could just pick up in nature and consistently sell them to someone for a set price and they would replenish in a matter of hours, I would be extremely wealthy.

[Niley]

I would love to hear about someone who can...grind real money with some type of business or something.

If there were items that I could just pick up in nature and consistently sell them to someone for a set price and they would replenish in a matter of hours, I would be extremely wealthy.

empty cans.

[Ihk*]

Players HAVE been outright banned for doing this in the past. Controlling the AH is a bad idea if somebody notices and reports you.

Why is this illegal?

[Fef]

Players HAVE been outright banned for doing this in the past. Controlling the AH is a bad idea if somebody notices and reports you.

Why is this illegal?

This is not illegal. Period.

I am part of the Azerothian Trade Union, a pan-server discussion forum focussed on WoW economy. We have many members that control or have controlled markets in WoW, none of them ever had trouble. I personnaly dominated the blue-weapon market on my server in vanilla WoW. My very (in)famous main trader would basically buy EVERYTHING and resell at her own price and sell in her name. Like 9 out of 10 blue weapon on the AH would be sold by her. This generated a lot of commotion on the forums and got me reported countless times (the reporting I get for multi-boxing is nothing compared to that time). This also got me filthy rich in game. Nothing like reaching gold cap, of course, but still filthy rich in a time when the most expensive item in game would be a 1000g fast mount.
Well, I never even heard of a GM. Another member of the ATU was controlling the Pacebloom market on her server, not for profit since that was very little return compared to the work it required, but just for fun and the annoyance factor. She never had troubles neither.

Even cross faction trading, sending items or gold from Alliance to Horde or the other way around, is perfectly fine, even on a PVP server.

Basically, any form of market manipulation that does not involve *really* illegal things (like real life money) is absolutely fine and safe.

[mmcookies]

Players HAVE been outright banned for doing this in the past. Controlling the AH is a bad idea if somebody notices and reports you.

The only instance of this I've heard of is in conjunction with an RMT firm that was manipulating the market on several servers to both make a killing in-game and drive up the prices to encourage gold buying. AH domination by itself has not gotten anyone I've known into trouble.

[wendalf]

I would love to hear about someone who can...grind real money with some type of business or something.

If there were items that I could just pick up in nature and consistently sell them to someone for a set price and they would replenish in a matter of hours, I would be extremely wealthy.

empty cans.

Not everywhere pays people to recycle.

[kadaan]

- Boxing dailies (~12g * 25 * 5 = 1500g/day)
- Argent Pets (40 seals per pet, ~1.5-2k per pet, 5*5=25 seals/day = ~900-1200g/day average)
- 2 tailors 1 JC, ~90g per cloth and gem = 4+2+2 = 8*90g/4days = ~180g/day
- Heroics. 1 abyss (~125g), 4-6 dream shards (15*5=~75g), 8g/essence and 3.5g/dust gets me about 50g from green de's, frostweave is about 10g/stack, coins/vendor trash, 10 badges = scarlet ruby = ~70g... I think the average heroic run nets close to 500g.

Those are things any boxer can do to get a ton of cash. I also play the AH with buy low/sell high and luck out from time to time. When the announcement came out about titanium ore being prospectable for epic gems in 3.2, I managed to immediately snag almost 50 stacks worth at 2-3g per ore. I've sold about 10 stacks at 10g per ore already :).

First, do you go outside, ever? Looks like this is a 40/hr a week job for you.

Second - Abyss crystal for 125g?! Damn. They're only like 50g on my server.

Not saying I _do_ all those steps, just that there are easy ways to make a lot of gold. I did only the 4 icecrown champion seal dailies for a while (about a half hour/day) then eventually gave up. Right now I spend about 30m each evening playing the AH and that's it.

Abyss fluctuate between 100 and 125g, greater cosmic is 10-12, dust is 3-4g, shards are 15-20g. Recently dragon's eyes have jumped back up to 200g+, so I've been doing the JC daily again on my one JC.

[emil_Gebl94]

Imagine selling that for like 5$ each.

[Flekkie]

Players HAVE been outright banned for doing this in the past. Controlling the AH is a bad idea if somebody notices and reports you.

The only instance of this I've heard of is in conjunction with an RMT firm that was manipulating the market on several servers to both make a killing in-game and drive up the prices to encourage gold buying. AH domination by itself has not gotten anyone I've known into trouble.

I kind of sort of remember something about addons being banned or diabled from working because they automated detection of abnormally low priced items, and buying and re-selling them. Was it called bottom loader, or was that something else?

But I could just be making it up - memory is a bit hazy

[aboron]

I kind of sort of remember something about addons being banned or diabled from working because they automated detection of abnormally low priced items, and buying and re-selling them. Was it called bottom loader, or was that something else?

But I could just be making it up - memory is a bit hazy

That was bottom feeder:
http://forums.norganna.org/discussio...d-indefinetly/

It wasn't the automated detection of abnormally low prices that they didn't like, it was the fact that it could also be set to automatically _buy_ all of those items instantly and without user interaction. Though it could just as easily bite the buyer in the ass if they had bad settings or invalid scan data. (Like someone puts up hundreds of mining picks at 9999g for a week straight, then starts putting them up for 20g - bam, it just buys a bunch at tons over vendor)

The new incarnation of it was renamed bottom scanner and it can only popup a window alerting you to a deal and asking you if you want to bid/buy (so you have to be at the computer paying attention to get it).