Lol I should get my friend to email me some of the screenshots he's taken when running heroic PUGs. He plays a healer and his wife the tank, he's told me of many a heroic where a DPS DK or hunter or rogue is doing 600 dps at level 80, with 5+ epics on them.

Umm...when your dps is THAT bad, are you even facing the right direction? Cuz just plain ol' white damage should produce higher dps than what some scrubs put out in PUGs these days...

I ran a Naxx pug once on my hunter, a 10-man, and there was one other hunter in the group. When I observed after a full wing that he was barely reaching 800 dps (and he had better gear than me, several 25-man pieces), I shortly realized why. He kept Aspect of the Viper on 100% of the time "so I don't run out of mana" he said. I tried politely to tell him you can toggle it on and off, and that it only takes 6 seconds of AotV to restore your whole mana bar, but he just insisted that he was better off just leaving it on all the time and it was too much hassle to switch it on and off, then he flamed me for having a "noob" survival spec, that all real dps hunters use marksman and if I knew anything about marksman I'd know it consumes more mana and you need viper up all the time.

I tried to explain that my 'noob' 0/15/56 survival spec was letting me do 4x the damage he did, and then I switched to my 2nd spec, marksman, and showed him I can do just as good dps in MM spec and still only have to toggle Viper on occasionally...