Why do people do low DPS?

[kadaan]

Oh! There's a wiki that an ex-guildie put together to address this exact problem: http://www.raider101.com/

Welcome to Raider 101! This site is designed for people new to raiding in World of Warcraft. It is intended to be an overview of the talent builds, ability rotations, and all other elements necessary to become a successful raider. Raider 101's emphasis is on plain and straightforward advice that will make the beginning raider a solid contributor to the team.

[Bigfish]

DPS is so simple its disgusting. The only reason people don't do it well in game is some of the ridiculous rotations required and a general lack of knowledge on how to set up a rotation. Nothing in game really spells this out, so you natuarally have people who *gasp* play for fun, but utterly stink at what passes for gameplay. Bottom line, every class can be reduced to one button spam with properly configured macros.

[Smootykins]

Its pretty simple. People who struggle to do "terrible" dps just don't care. They're usually eating while playing, watching tv, or carrying on tell/vent chats. Sometimes all at once. Advice is usually lost on them, cause only an idiot plays a char for 80 levels and still doesn't know how to press buttons constantly. They know this and are offended by it no matter how its usually put, but normally not offended enough to try.

Your only options are to replace them. Rage at them to distract them from their tv show/erp tell session. Hope they ebayed and are willing to take advice.



Well.. I thought about it some more and I remembered I was in a similar situation and solved it. We just talked the low output person into installing a dps meter. Once they have a running account of their fail they got self conscious and started to pay attention to output. Situation improved drastically.

Also, remember. You can stay guilded with bad players and talk to them regularly. You just don't have to raid with them if its stressing you out. Sit out and run with groups of folks you know are good, but keep in touch.

[EaTCarbS]

Really I think doing good DPS comes down to 3 factors:

* Knowing the right buttons to push in the correct order
* Pressing these buttons as fast as you can
* Don't stand in a fire

Also...

* Having a good talent Spec
* GEAR GEAR GEAR

[Normak]

we're mostly a casual/family guild but we do raid and there's not enough people as it is

I think what most of the peeps have suggested to try are great ideas

but at the risk as sounding like a defeatist, the quote and actualy raiding dont mix very well

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Lol. I thought the OP's point was to start a thread about how to help people DPS better, not bashing anyone under 3k as being a mouthbreather. Guess my standards are still set too high.

[Khatovar]

It also helps if people have even the faintest idea about any of thier class mechanics. Such as the resto druid above who doesn't use HoTs. I've seen warlocks who melee like they're warriors. I've seen rogues who attack from the front, practically going out of thier way to eat cleaves. I've seen healers who won't heal themselves. It's almost like they never look at any spell they get after level 10. There's been more than a few times where I've just been amazed by the ferocity with which some people suck.

Try asking them why they do the things they do and then explaining why some other way is better. Like that druid would probably say "because I want to heal people when they need it, not waste my mana on heals they don't need yet/have to wait on." And you'd say "HoTs are more mana efficient than HT spam and keeping HoTs rolling on your tank frees you up to toss heals to other people when things go bad or there's AOE damage. And it still leaves you with the option to Swiftmend at any time for a big instant heal."

[Ualaa]

For a while, there was a guildy hunter...

Level 60, melee with two weapons.
Did not use ranged attacks of any sort.
Did not have a pet, because they were useless.
Mostly Survival, some Marksman (I think).
This was during our ZG/MC days, classic wow.

But he had fun, with his two or three melee moves.

[Tdog]

My recommendation?
If you're a Hardcore guild - Boot their arce out! You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped peroid. If they refuse to learn or be helped they are basically kicking themselves out as Hardcore guilds are there to get kills, not carry dead weight.

Causual Guild? - Deal with it. Again people can't be helped if they don't want to be helped, but as long as they aren't a-holes while being terribad players it's just something causal guilds will have to deal with.

Obviously if you offer help and they accept, then great. But some people don't want to be helped even when they know they are horrible at something.

[Simulacra]

When I was a young mage at level 60 having pretty much quested to that level and not having grouped much I had no idea that my talent spec was rubbish and my dps was terrible as I was ok at killing non instance mobs. I got a wake up call while going for some attunement or other when I HAD to join a raid. It was a 10 man in UBRS. Within 20 minutes the damage meters came up and the raid leader asked me if I wanted to be kicked. I asked why? He said look at the damage meters......I was 8th. I was a mage and I was 8th. Terrible. BUT at the time I didn't realise that was bad, I didn't realise that as a mage I should have been #1 or #2 because no-one told me. He whispered to me "learn2play nub" As soon as I found out what was expected of me I went and read everythng I could about magedom and my DPS increased substantially, my cc was great via a macro and also discovered that I wasn't supposed to be a selfish bastard but actually offer people water/food and a portal at the end.

So I think it's about managing expectations whether they are family, friends or not. Real friends will not get offended if you make a comment ie I had a warrior at level 18 and grouped with a bunch of RL friends from work in the deadmines. The very next day the guy who introduced me to wow said that I was the single worst tank he'd ever seen and he was right, I knew he was right and didn't take offence.