Why do people do low DPS?

[Iceorbz]

less coddling, more /gkick!

I won't play with people that will waste my time, it's one of the things i value most. If they wont fix it, especially if you are handing the information to them on a silver platter then boot their asses.

[Zal]

less coddling, more /gkick!

I won't play with people that will waste my time, it's one of the things i value most. If they wont fix it, especially if you are handing the information to them on a silver platter then boot their asses.

:thumbsup:

[Fef]

I have been in the shoes of the "n00b" that needs to "L2P" many times. Very little grouping, very few instances, so basically I was always under geared and never knew strategies (reading things on the net is usually not enough, and anyway doesn't compare with real experience). Most of the time people would just behave like jerks, really not friendly or helpful at all. So actually I stopped grouping all together. That made end-game content rather empty to me, and that's what got me into multiboxing.

That's actually one of the reasons why I love multiboxing : If I fail, it's my fault, I can blame nobody else for it, and nobody else is going to blame me for it. I only play alone, with real life friends, or with people I have known basically from release and who didn't forget it's a game

It is interesting to see that all the PUG invitations on the trade channel (which is already annoying) seem to ask for people who already know the encounters and already have the gear. Hhuu ...

Now, it is true that lack of focus tends to drop DPS. I can run an Heroic Utgarde Keep in 45 minutes without one character dying when I'm focus, or in 1h30 with several wipes when I'm busy doing other things at the same time. I guess in a raid it must be very noticeable too.

[Tonuss]

less coddling, more /gkick!

I won't play with people that will waste my time, it's one of the things i value most. If they wont fix it, especially if you are handing the information to them on a silver platter then boot their asses.

I agree with this. Even when there is a small pool of available players, the most important thing is to try and find the ones that are willing to improve and want to improve. Some players will react defensively no matter how you try to approach them, and they feel that it's "too much work" to learn enough about their class to provide the necessary DPS. You don't want those players, you will spend a LOT of your time trying to help them and they will simply shit all over your efforts because they don't care.

You want the players who will listen and improve. Some of them may need to be coddled a bit at first, but as long as they seem to be 'teachable' they will improve and will mellow out soon enough. Some of those players may take some effort to get them to catch up, but as long as they are willing to listen and seem to be putting in the effort, they're worth the time spent. It isn't always about how much you know about the class, as it is about how willing you are to learn. Find those people and you'll not only have a better raid force, you'll live longer from not suffering a burst vessel every raid night.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Its been my experience that people who do low dps are people who are scared to pull aggro. Most likely they have been chastised in the past for over aggro and prolly cause deaths and wipes.

Second to that is they are people that hold back on all of their trinkets and cool downs in a 60 min instance run to blow them only 2-3 times on boss fights instead of every 2-3 min when the cool downs are up.

[Caspian]

Wowwebstats.com

Don't just use it to say OMG Timmy is doing 2389472398 DPS and Johnny is doing 7 DPS lol.

Go to the break Downs. See who is casting what and when. we used it my my group on Flame Leviathan. We had some people using the Siege Rockets and Some Using the Cannon - same for the Demolishers. I drilled down and showed that siege gunners using Cannons did more then 2x the damage as the ones shooting rockets. Also proved out the exact opposite for Demo's their rockets do more damage then the Cannon. We got everyone on the same page and made FL even easier then he was before.

You already know you have to approach it gently because these are friends or family. Take the approach outside of a raid, maybe even outside of WoW, that you want to help them. Maybe use a little guilt if you are stuck somewhere - "We all need to step it up to beat X. I was checking out the WWS and noticed that Timmy is using fireball and you are using your wand a lot. Next time try your fireball a bit more."

We had a girl that played a mage and started raiding. She started late in TBC so got geared quickly. She tried really hard but she was always 30% below the other mages with little to no gear gap. I got the group on WWS and one of our "pro" mages really got into it. He picked up what she was doing wrong right away - Using Pyroblast as her main spell. He got her on vent before a raid one night and talked about his rotation with her and got her to make a couple changes. That night she was #2 behind him in DPS. She didn't know about elitestjerks or much else, was too shy to ask and thoght the DPS difference was because of her gear. Our mage that helped her took a tactful approach and was able to get her to listen, once she had some help she took off.

A lot of these types of people are not the classic gamer type like a lot of us are. Some may not care but most may not even realize they could be better or understand how to improve. In my experience taking the approach for a "team" perspective is the best way to start "Everyone needs to step it up so we are all looking at the WWS to see where we can help each other make improvements".

[zanthor]

It's all about the 3 R's of DPS.

Rotation
Rotation
Rotation

No amount of gear and proper talent builds will counter a bad rotation.

[Saithe]

It's all about the 3 R's of DPS.

Rotation
Rotation
Rotation

No amount of gear and proper talent builds will counter a bad rotation.

Amen. I remember back in the old, OLD day of Vanilla WoW I was doing a Maraudon run with my guild. There was another Hunter of a similar level with us, and I just blew him out of the water in terms of DPS. I was on Vent with them, and asked the other Hunter what kind of rotation he used (/reminisce of Aimed Shot weaving) and he said he didn't know how to use one. I promised to teach him how, but never saw him again.

Some people just fail to adapt to changing rotations too. Same Hunter of mine running through Blood Furnace. Two things came of it. One, I met a level 62 Paladin that didn't have the rez spell because he was power leveled and never bother (/headdesk). And Two, the other Hunter was also failing at DPS. I happened to have a good damage meter that told me what spells he was using primarily, and it turned out he was using the same old Pre-BC rotation that absolutely sucked once BC came out. I whispered him and explained why Aimed Shot was the fail sauce (but with a little more tact than that), and after a while of discussion, he thanked me for the advice.

I had/am having the same problem with my current characters even now. I recently gave my Warrior a DPS spec (was Prot/Prot for a while, because Tanking is what I do best), and he's currently doing at 80 about the same damage as the currently level 72 Hunter, simply because I've never played a DPS Warrior before and haven't gotten used to the rotations. Even the Hunter I keep talking about suffered from horrible DPS when I picked him back up again after about 5 months to get him into WotLK. It took me a couple days, but once I adjusted my spec/rotation to fit the new expansion, my DPS almost doubled.

Sometimes it's just the person though. There's a Hunter in my guild who does crazy DPS in their 25 man raids, and they always talk about how good he is at DPS. One of the other Hunters talked to him about Hunter mechanics for a couple hours. Afterwards, the lesser DPS Hunter said it blew his mind, because the other Hunter wasn't necessarily doing things because they were the best way to do it, but because he just *liked* doing it that was and it worked.

[Decadence]

* Knowing the right buttons to push in the correct order - Correct
* Pressing these buttons as fast as you can - Incorrect, Pressing these buttons at the correct times = more dps than button mashing.
* Don't stand in a fire - Correct
* Loot the hounds - Added

Changes made 8|

[Khatovar]

* Loot the hounds - Added

Don't you mean "LOOT THE F$(&$&%$(% HOUNDS FOR F*#(^&%^@ SAKE!!!!eleventyone!! -50 DKP!!"?





At least that what it was in my guild in those days. ;(