I am trying 4 pallies and a shammy. Not sure how much I will need it, but one will be prot. I hope that I don't need it. I won't be doing any heroics, ever, just normal tanking stuff. I wanted the extra buffs that a shammy could give. A clothie (which I put druids in also) is too squishy for this group---just my opinion. So either a 5th pally with very little extra buffs or a shammy. Windfury (same as DK), strength totem (same as DK) and eventually earth shield (maybe you get rune tap glyph would help as DK). It seems like it is a trade off for a shammy and DK. DK would provide crazy more DPS than a shammy smacking things with a stick, but I wanted to tank with a pally, so the DK would just be DPS. Automatic stuff made the difference for me, tremor totem, disease/poison cleansing totem, mana totem, healing totem, flametongue totem, etc. No thinking required, just plop them down and do your stuff. That seems too much like any DPS loss would be made up with not thinking help. That is what boxing is to me, get stuff that takes care of itself so you can have fun. Shammy it is for me.