GameCommanderPro

[Aarelan]

Everyone may have their own things that concern them about boxing. I am scared it will get taken away, since it is too much fun to give up. Things that scare me in general, decisions and access.

GCP does not decide anything for you.

I'd like to confirm that we don't use any run-time information from WOW. The only things that can affect the decisions are things that the user tells GCP, through keyboard and mouse. GCP is not using any "forbidden" information. GCP also does not add functionality, only makes it easier to access the functionality which is already there. We have been very careful to make sure that GCP does nothing illegal.

The functions we use in the addon (targeting, casting) etc are simply using features that Blizzard have supplied as part of their secure execution environment. They did this to ensure that those functions are only initiated by a key press. We do not change macros in combat, but it is perfectly legal to change targets in combat. We use a Blizzard provided feature for that. If Blizzard did not want people to do that, surely they wouldn't provide the function. I accept that using "illegal" stuff is bad, but I would argue that there is no issue with using everything that is provided.

GCP only issues 1 key per character for each user input key. We are not breaking or bypassing any Blizzard mechanisms, or Blizzards intentions in making the mechanisms that way. Our scripting functionality is quite restricted by the limitations imposed by Blizzard, but thats the rules of the game and we have no problem with it.

I accept that we write 1 addon to the addon directory. There are no directory or file deletion instructions in our code - anywhere in our code. We only ever overwrite things. We do this because the addon is the "receiving" part of our macro upload. It's not essential to GCP, but it does provide access to parts of Blizzards UI that provide some handy features. If this is seen as a problem, we could provide a version of the program that requires manual update, for those who prefer it.

The reason Blizzard banned the mods you are talking about is because they auto selected targets. We don't do that.

I fail to see why giving people access to multi boxing as a problem. I disagree with the assumption that because people are not "tech heads" that they are idiots. I would like to see more people multi box. I completely disagree with the fact that we should keep multi boxing restricted. I think the more people that multi box, the better it is for all of us. If we could become remove our "trivial numbers" label (a Blizzard quote, or at least paraphrase) then maybe game companies would do more for us.

I will re-iterate. GCP does nothing illegal. It provides no "extra" functionality. It simply makes the full functionality provided by Blizzard more accessible.

Phil

[Aarelan]

Thanks for taking the time to fill us in with the details, Aarelan.

As others have said, this is definitely not Keyclone's site. I'm not sure why he, and he alone, gets a special direct-download link to his software at the top of every page, but I imagine it's because he's paid for the privilege and that's between him and Elay (whose site this actually is ).

I suspect my questions will get lost in the noise and excitement, especially since I expect you're in the US and tucked up in bed as I type this, but....

Does your software "call home", and does it need its own reserved macro slots, or does it stash its own macros away somewhere else as with some macro mods?

Cheers,
Otlecs.

No problem - I'm happy to answer questions.

Our software does not "call home". The mechanism we use for key generation does, but only to check that the key is valid. We actually had someone from Texas trying random keycodes last night, and this mechanism is just a way of preventing such actions from being successful. (and auditing them)

Our addon creates it's own independent data space, and GCP uploads to this addon. This gives us several advantages including:

• All changes that we make are contained, and can be rolled back by disabling the addon (GameCommandPro)
• When macros are uploaded, this traffic does not hit the Blizzard server, but only our mod.
• We can compress the upload in GCP and have the mod unpack it.
• We can use incremental updates when macros are changed.

[rahven32]

Does GCP create a WTF folder just for it or does it use the wtf already used by wow? I'm wondering how you handle switching layouts and aspect's of the UI in general. From the way it sounds it creates it's own but just want to be clear on that. I also noticed alot of default keybinds etc I'm guessing (dont want to assume lol) that they all can be made whatever you want correct?

[Otlecs]

The mechanism we use for key generation does [call home], but only to check that the key is valid.

Do you do this only at the time of purchase, or every time the software is fired up?

I'm quite keen to move to software that doesn't rely on external servers.

[blast3r]

Multiboxers are smarter than your average doofus. Please don't try and insult our intelligence. Thanks

thanks a lot for that

I understand though, and that is why this will be the last thing i post on this subject for a while. I had an answer from the author, and i urged him to make an account here himself, since i am seen as just a spam-troll. I WILL keep reading up on all the info here, since it's a great resource.

Thank you for all the genuine replies in the meantime, see you in 2-3 weeks when i get started myself.

Maybe I am just too cautions. We often see people come in here who think they are fooling everyone and trying to push their products on the group here. So if I was wrong I apologize. I was having an extra suspicious day I suppose.

[Aarelan]

The mechanism we use for key generation does [call home], but only to check that the key is valid.

Do you do this only at the time of purchase, or every time the software is fired up?

I'm quite keen to move to software that doesn't rely on external servers.

You mean like Wow :P

The software is fairly intelligent. I'm not sure of the exact logic, I assume thats a dark secret of the people that provide us with the service, but here's our observations:

1. For the first few times you run the software, it will require a connection. The more often it correctly validates, the more lenient in becomes in that respect
2. The system has logic built into it to detect certain types of activity (such as disconnecting before starting and then re-establishing the connection once it's running) and gets upset at such behavior.
3. It can tell the difference between being disconnected from the internet, and being connected but it's "home" site being down, and will change its behavior accordingly.

We spent some time looking into various options, and decided that this was the least invasive, most reliable, and is not machine locked (which has always irritated me in the past)

Of course we all wish that such measures where not required, but my wife even found a site where someone was requesting a cracked version of [that which cannot be mentioned] last night - I'd really not realized that "cracking" was being offered as a service! - to the credit of the site, the moderator stamped on that user, but it saddens me that this sort of thing goes on.

Phil

[Otlecs]

Thanks for the reply. I'll stick with KC until something else comes along then.

I understand the rationalisation (which I believe to be a double-edged sword, but that's a different argument), but I thoroughly resent having my ability to muiltibox dictated by the availabililty of anything other than the servers running the actual game.

Good luck with the product though :thumbup:

[Catamer]

GameCommanderPro?
this is obviously an advert, I've never herd of it and I've tried almost everything talked about here ( hardware, most of the freewares, innerspace and keyclone ).

innerspace was very good but I'm stuck with keyclone, it has the features I want at a reasonable price, I-S wanted too much $ in my opinion.

[moosejaw]

GameCommanderPro?
this is obviously an advert, I've never herd of it and I've tried almost everything talked about here ( hardware, most of the freewares, innerspace and keyclone ).

innerspace was very good but I'm stuck with keyclone, it has the features I want at a reasonable price, I-S wanted too much $ in my opinion.

You need to read the whole thread.

[Aarelan]

Thanks for the reply. I'll stick with KC until something else comes along then.

I understand the rationalisation (which I believe to be a double-edged sword, but that's a different argument), but I thoroughly resent having my ability to muiltibox dictated by the availabililty of anything other than the servers running the actual game.

Good luck with the product though :thumbup:

One of the things that we're looking for is feedback on the good/bad aspects of our product (and yes we do accept that there will be things we need to improve on). If the method of licensing is seen as an issue then we actually have a number of options. We chose the method we did based on our experience of trying other products.

We could offer a "one time connect" activation, but it would be machine specific (so if you moved computer, you would need a new key). It's slightly more difficult to use, in that there are more steps in the process, some of which are manual (hence it would take longer to get a key).

I'd like to ask you and (any other members of the forum) for feedback on this.

If people are telling me that they would buy the product but for it's type of security mechanism, then I'd be foolish not to take notice

Phil