thank you for the gratz and info! my problem i just need to keep trying! i hate it when i can't do things the first time.

i cleared HOL today .. ok ... i cheated a bit as i gave up on the 3rd boss so effex helped me! naughty Luna. I did try VH again but got the boss that has orbs .. ususally i would tank this backwards up the ramp thing and round but effex (also in VH at the same time with his 5) and i both had problems and couldn't get past him.

so effex and i are now waiting outside voa and are are gonna try it together for a laugh! will be fun, will let you know how we get on

Luna xx