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    Default Dual Boxing AION

    This is just a cut and paste from what I've posted on the Aion Source forum discribing my experience in Aion Beta. I didn't get to spend much time nor do the traditional 3rd party program, but as you can see from the Macro options, it can be done.

    First off let me say I won't be responding immediately as I have some things to do today. Also please refrain from turning this into a flame war.

    Introduction: If you don't know what multi boxing is, it's playing 2 or more accounts at the same time. Let me say now that this game is totally set up for multi boxing. First, lets look at the relevant rules regarding game play as it could affect a boxer:

    EULA

    7. OFFICIAL SERVICE
    NC Interactive has designed the Game for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which the Game may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the Game except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure.

    Rules of Conduct

    17. You will not attempt to interfere with, hack into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Aion.

    21. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting or gathering items within Aion. You may not assist, relay or store items for other players who are using these processes.

    So we see that no 3rd party program that reads packets, automates play without human input, and the gray zone, any method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. Note that multi boxers press a key for any and all actions, so nothing is automated. The question is will macros that cast more than 1 spell when pressed be considered automation. Another question for other boxers is will key broadcast programs be considered automation. These are the two questions I'd like officially addressed. As it stands boxing is a recognized and legal form of play in many games from L2 to WoW. I would assume this game is no different.

    Setup: I have a desktop and a lap top with 2 pre-ordered accounts which gave me double beta access (triple if you include the File Planet access that sucked me right into AION). I had limited time as I work 12 hour graveyards on the weekend and have a girlfriend whom I live with so I didn't get far. I had a warrior and a priest. The war was under my total control with the desktop while the priest was run by 4 macros on the laptop. I had a macro to target and heal the warrior, one for the priest as well, a macro to target the war, her target, then cast smite, wait, cast smite again, and a follow macro. Note everything done was done with ingame tools only. No automation, every command executed when I physically touch a button (the priest macros were bound 1-4 if anyone is curious and that war was run with mouse/n52). The only gray zone is the smite macro, which under the definitions above could be interpreted as automation because more than 1 command is cast at a time. This would make macros useless for pretty much anything though. Still it needs clarity as it's too broad imo.

    Play I only got up to lvl 6 and grinded the whole time. Like I said, not much time. The time I did have was a blast. My duo was able to take on mobs 2 levels high than them without much trouble. The macros worked, but they were far from flawless. There is a macro cooldown, I'm guessing of 1 second. The /delay function did not seem to work all that accurately and the /Select targeting didn't work all that great either. Sometimes things went without a hitch, other times I was hitting the macro key 2 or 3 times as it changed targets/skills. It seems that if a macro is running and another macro is called, it will do that change target function of the next macro but not the skill. So if I'm smiting with the priest and the war needs a heal, if that macro is running and I hit the heal macro, I have to hit it twice (with delay for the macro cooldown) to heal. Also my smite command would target the war, then target of target to get the enemy. It seems the macro would target the war if no target was presented, but after that would target of target. This means the first time it would select my wars target, but the next time it would select my war (the targets target). This meant multiple pushes of the attack macro to get the correct target. On the bright side for melee your guys will automaticly chase down the enemy. If I wanted I could have flipped the team and ran my priest while having my war macro attack (basicly just beat things with his auto attack being that I had all of 1 chain skill).

    Conclusion Despite the strange actions of the macros which may or may not be ironed out as more people use them and more info is provided, multiboxing is quiet viable and fun. At the same time given the fragile macro system I wouldn't recommend it for anything but grinding. Still this is just one kind of boxing. We don't yet know if the other kinds are legal. For instance key broadcast via hardware/software. If you can press 1 key and have that 1 key count as 1 key press for multiple clients that will open many doors to multiboxers. Oh and if you only have 1 computer, nothing in the rules says alt+tab is illegal so if you ran two clients on 1 PC and manually control both you should be golden. In any case this game is set up quiet well for boxing. I hope It picks up interest among the boxing community as it will probably need all the help it can get seeing how many recent MMOs have risen and fallen.

    One last thing. I would still like an iron clad statement from NC. Everything I've seen points to this method being 100% fine, but obviously I don't want to get a ban on the first day. This is a fun game and while I enjoy playing with 2 toons more than 1, I'd settle with 1 if I have to.
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    Default thank you

    I was playing the AION beta over the weekend too, and last night I was thinking if dual boxing would work. I want to level up one of each class (altaholic) but I know leveling in AION will be a lot slower than in WoW, so if I can do 2 at once, things should go a lot smoother. However, I might skip making a Ranger class.

    Templar + Chanter
    Assassin + Cleric (assassin may need better heals than the Templar)
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    Sorcerer I will level in a group with some friends.
    Ranger, probably skip, or leveling with another Cleric

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    The response I got from the Aion team was that Aion will follow the same standards for multiboxing that they employ with LineageII - Linky

    How GameGuard will effect the ability to play is beyond what I've been able to test. Had I more than 1 beta key, I would have been able to try Keyclone and Inner Space.

    "Let us say, that since bot programs are "smarter" than an in-game macro we give suspected botters an "IQ test." We generally play by the 1:1 rule but in-game macros allow for the chaining of skills."
    From what I was seeing, the macro system was over the top. In 5 minutes I had a 1 button macro that completely negated my need to do anything. It attacked my target, HoT-ed me, went through all my abilities, looted the mob and then rested me. Had I added the auto target command, I could have just hit 1 every 25 - 40 seconds and napped my way to cap.

    While there are limits to the in game macro system, notably size limit and inability to call a macro from a macro, I am personally hard pressed to see how they will determine botters from boxers. Especially since macros are kind of clunky to operate around with the inherant delays {they try to continue until they process the entire macro, as you saw with your smite to heal attempts}. They will either need to devote a lot of manhours to testing if a toon is a player running in game macros, a multiboxer running in game macros or a bot running external scripts to chain macros, or taking the simple way out and preventing the game from running with certain programs.

    Even barring being able to use programs, the in game macros are hands-off enough that you could very easily do without broadcasting and just tab or mouse through manually starting 30 second+ macros across the board. Of course, there's a ton of leeway for PvE. PvP will obviously require more finess and a greater ability to adapt, which can make using macros a disaster, but I have 0 experiance with that in Aion.
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    So it sounds like software broadcast is legal then, so long as I don't screw with the client/GG? Hard to tell with those responces, wish they'd just come out and say it
    3 Box- Itsawitch (mage), Deadrisen (priest), Toterdamon (lock)

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    NC Soft has a horrible history of not caring about botters! All of their games to include AION China is full of botters and they do not enforce it unless it's an actual 3rd party software detect.

    Right now AION china is over run with bots and US will pretty much be the same after release. So I dought they would care if we are boxing it :P
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    I just hope that keyclone is allowed. From that L2 reply, is keyclone considered a key re-mapping software?

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    DId any of you who tried dualboxing find a way around the fps drop on the inactive window when running two clients on one pc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Kaillus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=215268#post 215268
    I just hope that keyclone is allowed. From that L2 reply, is keyclone considered a key re-mapping software?
    Keyclone doesnt work last I tried in Aion.
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    I would try AION if it wasn't riddled with GameGuard ;(
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Nitro',index.php?page=Thread&postID=217172#post21 7172
    Quote Originally Posted by 'Kaillus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=215268#post 215268
    I just hope that keyclone is allowed. From that L2 reply, is keyclone considered a key re-mapping software?
    Keyclone doesnt work last I tried in Aion.
    yea, I just tried last night too. No go. Oh well.

    I don't think I am going to dual box anyways now. My Templar doesn't have much downtime, and there is no bonus for grouping, the exps is split 50/50. Would take too long to level, unless things change in later levels.

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