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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=21392 6#post213926
    Personally, I would refrain from using something like keyclone/ahk/hkn to press two buttons at once, as that is clearly afoul of the ToS. Note: ALT is not a separate key in the context of "single keypress = single action" in the WoW ToS. Strictly speaking, it is a modifier key. ALT, SHIFT and CTRL all fit this, which is further confirmed by the "modifier=xxx" structures in macros. So, pressing ALT+F1 (one key + one modifier) is fine. Pressing F1+F2 (two independent keys) is NOT fine. And yes, Blizzard can tell the difference.

    Alternatively, you can create a "/click" macro to press your two hotbuttons "sequentially" but via one keypress, which is what many folks here do for certain things like FTL setups. Don't confuse the mechanic afforded by a "/click" macro with actually pressing two physical buttons at the same time with one keypress. They're most definitely not the same thing.
    Explain to me how /click differs from pressing two keys?

    I press 1 and 2 at the same time, you press 3 and /click the same buttons I have keybound to 1 and 2... how is this different?

    In both cases...

    Actions in both macro's or actions in 1 and 2 are fired as long as they are in accordance with blizzards existing macro api.
    Actions in both macro's or actions in 1 and 2 will fail if there is a global cooldown and/or a spell cooldown.
    The first action in 1 or 2 will fire that is off cooldown and triggers a global cooldown, additional actions will fail at the UI level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=214179#post 214179
    Explain to me how /click differs from pressing two keys?

    I press 1 and 2 at the same time, you press 3 and /click the same buttons I have keybound to 1 and 2... how is this different?

    In both cases...

    Actions in both macro's or actions in 1 and 2 are fired as long as they are in accordance with blizzards existing macro api.
    Actions in both macro's or actions in 1 and 2 will fail if there is a global cooldown and/or a spell cooldown.
    The first action in 1 or 2 will fire that is off cooldown and triggers a global cooldown, additional actions will fail at the UI level.
    Lemme see if I can explain by example. Bear with me.

    Pure macro on one key:
    Line 1: /cast crusader strike
    Line 2: /cast judgement of light
    Effect: Line 2 will never cast as the first line has no way to fall through to the judgement line.

    /click macro (still one button press):
    /click multibarbutton1: button set to /cast crusader strike
    /click multibarbutton2: button set to /cast judgement of light
    Effect: Line/click 2 will never cast as the macro still stalls at line one when crusader strike is on cooldown.

    Having a software app or hardware or manually pressing two separate keys:
    Key 1: /cast crusader strike
    Key 2: /cast judgement of light
    Effect: Judgement of Light will cast as soon as the GCD finishes even if crusader strike is on cooldown. Why? Because two keys is two completely independent actions, where a /click macro or a normal macro are sequential events that follow the UI rules.

    Make more sense?
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  3. #13

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    Zanthor makes a good point. What is it you are trying to do exactly? If you are trying to lets say use 2 spells for a single character its not possible unless said spells do not trigger a GCD, if they do not then put them on a single macro and they will be activated. There is no point in pressing 2 buttons if they are on a GCD if one is not again putting it on a macro makes more sense, now if you are trying to do it for multiple char's like you have 7 on one char and 8 on the second char why not just put it on same button for both of them? If you use one of the programs mention to accomplish this then really whats the point of not putting it on the same button if your talking about 2 char's unless you are using a modifier in which case you are not technically pushing a single button since you are going to have to press 1 then shift+1. Still confused as to what you are trying to do.

    For my guys I have 2 for dps macro but it is not use by lets say the tank which only uses 6-0 for tanking skills so I will press 2 and 6-0 together at any given time, but if I wanted to do as your doing then I would just bind my tank macro to 2 and keep my dps macro's on 2 as well. But this does not always work well, really for the most part you want to have those separated, what your trying to do would not work since every time you press 7 it would say press 7 and 8 at the same time which is the same thing as having all your abilities on 7 in a macro format.
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  4. #14

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    So I can concur that in the case:

    /cast spell1withglobal
    /cast spell2withglobal

    If you are putting those on two hotkeys and sending both hotkeys thats bypassing the default UI behavior if it runs as you describe, because spell 2 would cast in a 2 hotkey situation but not in a one hotkey dual /click macro... (is that what you are saying?)

    So as long as you can accomplish this within the default UI legally then multiple hotkeys shouldn't be an issue (I've read multiple blue posts about macro TOS compliance that all boil down to this.)

    So...

    /click AssistMacro
    /cast Spell

    Can be replaced with a hardware or software key that presses
    AssistKey & SpellKey

    And there's the rub, it's never as cut and dry as people would like it to be - you have to use your head. If you THINK its gray, then it very well may be. The general way I try to accomplish things is see if I can't duplicate what I'm after in the default UI, if I can, then I'm fine, if I can't, then there's a problem.
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    Two keys on one press is ok, if they're modifier keys.
    It's also ok, if its two spells on one key, but with a press per activation, such as a cast sequence.

    It's not ok to do 2+ actions on one press, with delays.
    I could create (via my G15) a macro which will: Immolate, Agony, Corruption, Drain Life... with a 2 second delay between each spell, activated on a single keypress.

    Basically, if you could accomplish your macro within Warcraft, using their macro system its ok.
    If you could not do your macro within warcraft, but can via G15, Keyclone, IS, HKN etc, I'd refrain from doing so.
    But its your account, make your own choice.




    *Edit*
    I've read in your (Zanthor's) IS thread a bit.

    I can create a key within warcraft which is my assist key.
    This is not a spell or ability, so does not trigger a GCD.

    If I were to really quickly press this key and then a DPS key, that's possible within the warcraft client.

    You can press one key on your client and have it send the assist press followed by the DPS press.
    That's a gray area, since you're only pressing once, but are receiving the benefit of two clicks.
    I'm not singling IS out here, Keyclone does the equivalent with the Hotstrings for the FTL system too.

    Still, from the games perspective, they are receiving an instruction to use the assist method of choice.
    Followed by the DPS spell of choice.

    I personally think this is ok from Blizzards perspective.
    Only one game spell/ability which impacts the game environment is pressed on a single keystroke.
    It makes no difference to Blizzard if you were to have four assist keys, and spam them sequentially and then cast one spell.
    It does not enable bot actions, and you're at the keyboard for the whole time you're playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'PauperJin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=214177#po st214177
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    same as this hehehe but with one button only that press 2 actions doesnt need to be in sequence or anything just mass 2 button only using 1 hehehehe so i can trigger a spell if its up without and incorporate it on my /click macros and would never fail and its going faster


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    or heres the thing im going to revise my question a little



    how can i bind 8,9,0 to button 7 so when i hit button 7 it will press 0,8,9 at the same time not sequence not in order nor delays just press them at the same time (like physicaly press 2 button at the same time)



    ive program a simple macro in my keyboard that press 8,9,0 with out delays and all but my keyboard macro key is far away from the other keys which i would want it to be, is thier a way to bind a keyboard programable key to button 7 on my keyboard or set number 7 on my keyboard to press 8,9,0 instead or press the normal 7 key? thats what i want it to do =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'jefflo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=214363#post2 14363
    ive program a simple macro in my keyboard that press 8,9,0 with out delays and all but my keyboard macro key is far away from the other keys which i would want it to be, is thier a way to bind a keyboard programable key to button 7 on my keyboard or set number 7 on my keyboard to press 8,9,0 instead or press the normal 7 key? thats what i want it to do =)
    Using a programmable keyboard in this manner is against the rules.

    You can NOT hit the 7 key (or any programmable key) and make wow think you hit 8 9 and 0 at the same time.
    What you can do is hit the 7 key and make 3 different instances of WoW think you hit one of the 8 9 or 0 buttons, but only ever one of them. It has to be a 1 to 1 ratio per account/app/whatever ya want to call it.

    What do 8 9 0 do? Maybe someone could help you with a macro but if its something like

    /cast [target=focustarget] spell 1
    /cast [target=focustarget] spell 2
    /cast [target=focustarget] spell 3

    That wont work, you will only ever get spell 1 as the global cool down will fire.


    I am sorry if it seems like everyone is jumping at ya and the erruption of discussion for such a simple answer. But things against the ToS make everyone nervous and tend to get jumped on.
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    honestly in my opinion (and this is purely my opinion), if something like pressing 8,9,0 simultaniously is against the TOS, is more a question what is ingame bound to 8,9,0 than how its achieved.
    But this is only my interpretation, and of course the 'save'-path for everyone would be to simply don't use such 'simultanious' keys, but this doesn't mean, that it is allways against the TOS (imo)...

    ..maybe to get an end to this discussion, it would be of use, when you tell us, what exactly you want to bind to 8,9,0 and what should happen, when you press the '7' (which sends 8,9,0).

    ..well and to answer your question jefflo, something like you described, could be done in HKN, simply by the follwoing script.
    (which as debated may be problematic, so I would use it only on your own risk)
    Code:
    <Hotkey 7>
      <SendFocusWin> 
          <Key 8>
          <key 9> 
           <key 0>
    ok, and to give another example how to do this with being in the '1 key press per 1 action', you could use <toggle> for this, which would result in you needing to push '7' 3 times:
    Code:
    <Hotkey 7>
       <Toggle>
            <SendFocusWin> 
                  <Key 8>
       <Toggle>
            <SendFocusWin> 
                  <Key 9>
       <Toggle>
            <SendFocusWin> 
                  <Key 0>
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    As discussed with a member of my raid last night the following macro on a single hotkey worked:

    /cast [target=focus]Spell
    /cast [target=player]Spell

    Both spells have global cool downs and it does take multiple key press' to cast the spell. I went to verify this this morning, but it is tuesday.

    Based off this having an out of game method to press multiple hotkeys at once cannot do anything that the base UI cannot do.

    Anyhow, I see this as one of those areas that if you really want to be paranoid you can avoid at your desire.
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