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[keyclone]

Only the really really stupid overlook benificial business opportunity based upon who you are dealing with.

or those with integrity.



as for making money on this site, that would require either a) membership fees or b) ads.
ads were tried and (some) users balked

are you saying ads are ok? (i have been saying this to Ellay for a while... and it may still be in the cards)

[Starbuck_Jones]

lol Jesus sam!

You make some valid if not unpopular points ill say that, But I don't want to see your name at the top of the new sticky. Your "doing it wrong" posts make me laugh so much.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Of course adds are OK lol ... I mean common adds make money, money can be used to make a better product. Who does not benifit in that case? Users get a better user experience as a result of adds.

Look at Carbonite vs. Questhelper. One had money behind them and the other didn't.

Well integraty comes at the price of not making a superior product for the game that you love.

you make some valid if not unpopular points ill say that

You mean I say things how they actually are rather then what people prefer to hear.....


Its not that anyone is "doing it wrong" there are lots of way to get to the same place its that in general you don't refuse to deal on a business basis with your enemies. Well buy and sell products to Germany and Japan even though they have done us mightly wrong, we would be really really stupid not to. Have we lost Integrity because we are business partners with those who killed and tortured us in the past? I don't see how.

[Tasty]

If he is good then why not partner with the best?

Cause he'd screw the community over the first chance he gets to make more money?

Cause he doesn't care about the community and would likely damage everything we've worked for in the process of making himself rich?

Cause he uses strong arm tactics on the internet? <-- This ones pretty lolable if you ask me. The guy thinks hes The Godfather lol

Or at any rate start up some kind of revenue stream somehow from someplace.

This as I believe, is a 'free' community. Its open to anyone and everyone, a place where we can help each other learn and have fun etc etc. That being said, you must have noticed the lack of adds. I realise that Ellay probably paid a substantial bulk of the fees but there are definately others who have donated to keep this place free from all that crap (thanks Ellay so don't think there isnt a revenue stream, even if its minuscule. I like to think the aim here is to promote knowledge and have fun not to charge people for playing the game a certain way.

TS is not out to "screw people over"

he out to maximize his income even at the expense of others.

You do realise these two statements are pretty much the same thing right?

[Sam DeathWalker]

So you don't really agrue that he is not good at marketing ....

Well anyway I am sure he is not the only game in town; Im just saying in general keep all your options open and that getting some income helps everyone.

If your income is tied to his then as he maximizes his income you maximize yours.... Im talking a 50/50 type deal not some 95/5 nonsense.

Which is better Thottbot or Wowhead? ....

This as I believe, is a 'free' community. Its open to anyone and everyone, a place where we can help each other learn and have fun etc etc

You don't mind paying Blizzard for fun, why would you object to paying Ell for the same?

[Tasty]

So you don't really agrue that he is not good at marketing ....

Well anyway I am sure he is not the only game in town; Im just saying in general keep all your options open and that getting some income helps everyone.

If your income is tied to his then as he maximizes his income you maximize yours.... Im talking a 50/50 type deal not some 95/5 nonsense.

Which is better Thottbot or Wowhead? ....

This as I believe, is a 'free' community. Its open to anyone and everyone, a place where we can help each other learn and have fun etc etc

You don't mind paying Blizzard for fun, why would you object to paying Ell for the same?

What makes you think I mind paying Ell? I donated $130 last year, its not much but its something. And I'm not paying to USE a product otherwise I would have paid for something like keyclone instead of using a free alternative. I'm paying to keep the place the way it is. Free of adds, free for all people looking to learn and free of people like whats his face who would gladly ravage everything that we've worked for (yes I said we, I realise I myself haven't really done much :P)

If Ell started charging to use the site, I'd stop coming here (No offense Ell!) I come here cause its free and friendly. Not so I can pay a monthly fee login and look over information that should be available for free.

Just to clarify Sam I understand where you're coming from. I'm all for people finding a niche and turning a profit from it but this is OUR niche and I like it just the way it is.

[Sajuuk]

Quoting from the Douche Bag thread.

he proceeds to contact the main contributors of the forums and the owner. we offer for him to join the community and help it grow. he goes on about his marketing contacts and how he could steal the community if he wanted to. he brags about what happened to thotbot. he demands 95% ownership of dual-boxing.com along with 85-90% rights of another companies product (Solid ICE and keyclone).

Emphasis mine.

[Stealthy]

So you don't really agrue that he is not good at marketing ....

Well anyway I am sure he is not the only game in town; Im just saying in general keep all your options open and that getting some income helps everyone.

If your income is tied to his then as he maximizes his income you maximize yours.... Im talking a 50/50 type deal not some 95/5 nonsense.

Which is better Thottbot or Wowhead? ....

This as I believe, is a 'free' community. Its open to anyone and everyone, a place where we can help each other learn and have fun etc etc

You don't mind paying Blizzard for fun, why would you object to paying Ell for the same?

The idea that everything becomes better once you turn it into a commercial entity is flawed. The primary goal of running any kind of business is to make money - everything else becomes secondary. Tim's problem is that making money is ALL he is concerned about, and as his actions to date have shown, he will happily screw over the whole DB community to get it.

The non-commercial nature of DB is one of the things that makes this such a great website - it means that the promoting and discussing multiboxing always remains the primary goal.

You know what makes Wowhead better than Thott? Contribution from its users...

Cheers,

S.

[Ellay]

Ya I've had tons of opportunity to make money off the users here. Do I take that route even though it would benefit me personally? No. I dislike sites with ads, and I understand they are part of a business model if you want to make your income that way. I enjoy this web site being at free, and it's not just "my" site. Everyone contributes to making it good, it's a community and that's all I wanted from the get go.

Not to spring off on a tangent here, but all the silly politics going on that some users think that there is bias here for this or that.. there is nothing going on in the back end. As long as your a nice person or if your mean at least pretend to be nice then there really isn't an issue Don't let what anyone says ruffle your feathers, were just here to learn and talk about multiboxing, nothing more

[Ken]

*Douche Bags* banned members and why[/url]

please refer people to that thread if they ever ask.

[offtopic]I suggest to leave the "douche bags" part away. It's completely unnecessary and hints to emotional moderation instead of subjective reasoning.[/offtopic]