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[Moorea]

I think one of the issues is putting one's head in the sand will not make tim's misrepresentations go away and there is a real risk he would capture a lot of people who will not do enough research - so maybe having upfront information about him and what he does would be better - though it would only be better if on his sites he would be honnest enough to mention this one without lying... which is very unlikely - so I'm not sure how to win this battle... but again, making this an isolated island is probably not the way to go

[F9thRet]

Well, All I can say, is at times I have used Keyclone, Hotkey.net ,and octopus, all recomended here.

I have even talked to Keyclone a few times on the phone, so he could help me with a software change, or new Max layout. I think it's clear where my loyalties lie. Tim is just a slug, pour some salt on him and he melts away, only to come back as some other kind of Invertabrate.

SuperNova, Keyclone, and the others, Thanks for what you do, and for giving us a place to discuss and find solutions to our Multi-boxing Situations.

Stephen up way to early in the middle of nowhere.

[Flekkie]

As a relative newcomer to these forums, I really appreciate Keyclone's comments in post # 15.

Until now, I have taken things on trust, although it is easy to do so. Knowing the backstory puts me right behind the d-b regulars here.

I don't dare offer advice, I always get stuff like this wrong when I do, but good luck all. I hate misinformation worse that most other things when it comes to open multiboxing 'discussions'.

[Gadzooks]

BTW just mentioning someone does not equal promoting (especially the fact that I said nothing positive about him) and to take it completely out of context and spin it that way is wrong.

Any publicity (good or bad) is still publicity.

And yes, I come off harsh. That's just me. Nobody said you had to like it.

Mebbe, but you get used to it.

Me, I take the other side - he's doing his best to try and corner the market on Multiboxing, and he can do some serious damage if his software does turn out to violate the TOS, and a bunch of people get permabanned. The word HAS to go out to stay clear of his products, because he cannot prove his software is 100% legit with Blizzard.

He's also capable of completely distorting the public's view of what we do - I heard him making claims that are simply not true, like making hundreds of thousands of gold farming instances, how you will
"pwn" every bg you enter, blah blah blah. He claims his software makes MBing "easy", which we all knows is a completely bogus claim. It's easy at lower levels, but when you start hitting the harder content, it takes real work. He himself I noticed is failing hard now that he's running BRD and above - and all of sudden now he's going to start a new team. How convenient. Why not show players how much work clearing Sekketh Halls is, Tim? Hmmm?

He also sucks ass at macro writing.

After reading KeyClone's post, I get what he's doing, and who he is. He's a scumbag. He's a leech. I followed some links and read the interview where he discussed selling WoWhead - he sold to a company that owns gold farming and selling companies. He got his blood money, off the hard work of Thottbot, and people's stolen accounts. Fuck HIM. KeyClone is right, he's trying to jack what WE built, and he needs to be told to go fuck himself. I laughed at all of the comments on WoW.com how he's not advertising "that much" - it's a constant advertisment for his software! He's also using the viewers, he constantly tells the viewers to go to WoW related sites and post links to the video - he's fairly obsessed about that, and he's very obsessed with how many viewers he has, and favorites.

The only good thing is the real channels on Justin.tv get 1000% more viewers than he does, the Fallout 3 channels are packed. (And after watching one, I am getting Fallout 3 - that game rocks!) The Ulduar channels get thousands of viewers to his average of 200-300.

Staying silent will let him win. Trust me on this. That has played out in corporate America for decades, with the jackals winning. Tim is yet another late night pitchman who just sees a quick buck, and we need to stand up for the playstyle we've developed, supported and worked for. I do not want to see him cause problems with it, and give Blizzard a cause for concern. He's advertising multiboxing in ways that will attract the wrong sort, and that's bad, because ultimately it effects all of us.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well lol ... I sure all the above could be said of Bill Gates also and Intel.

Ok so he is agressive. Ya I would be kinda insulted to be offered 5percent and you wisely refused, such a small amount, but realy he does seem to know how to market, and you have to admit he did a number on Throttbot to his own profit.

In every field you have people who see it a job to make money and others who do it for the love of doing it. About 100 percent of the people here are not out to make a profit, but thats not saying there is anything wrong with makeing a profit - Blizzard does it.

Lets take Jamba as an example. Great software for sure but could be a lot better, hasn't been updated for 3.1 yet. Great Product but not professional like Carbonite. If Jamba was handled by soemone like Tim money would come in so that the writer of Jamba could spend a lot more time writing better code and more features instead of earning monies in other ways. Really whats wrong with that. 5 pecent (actually any resonable deal would be 50/50) of 10K is a lot more then 100 percent of zero.

Carbonite is a perfect example of what money can do to help an add on. It destroys all the "free" compeitors (well its free now also).

Tim is advertizing everywhere; DB has no income and thus can't advertize .... Sure all the people in the know come here now but ...

Google was a blantent rip off of Alta Vista, Windows first version was a rip off of cpm, WoW ripped off EQ. ...... The lesson there is that marketing beats engineering.

Well if he is banning you from his streams/forums I guess I can't really claim you shouldn't ban him; its just kinda sad how this has reached this point.

Keep in mind that most everyone cept me was against Lax initially but he has turned out to be an active member and positive supporter of the foums and the community.

I say take the high road and let TS post, show him you are better then he is. Or cut him a 50/50 deal and sell out and turn DB into a profesisonal product. DB has the eginerring abilities and best poducts; TS has the marketing BS ... those are stong combinations when put together, weak when seperate.

Oppotunity does not last forever.

[Gomotron]

Sam are you using the-software-that-dare-not-be-named?

If so, that makes a lot of sense. If not, then you are merely trolling.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I use:

Keyclone
Jamba
Macaroon

as my core non hardware stuffs.

I also use:

Arkinventory
Chatter
Elkbuffbars
Hitsmode
Informant
Jamba
Macaroon
Postal
Simple Minimap
Tiptack
Titan
Xperl

On main I also have:
Autioneer
Carbonite
Gladius (just trying it out might not keep)



I belive that innerspace might be superior to Keyclone but I dont ahve the time to set it up. Keyclone does what I need so why change. And as stated Keyclone customer support is 2nd to none.

[Moorea]

I sure hope tim never gets his dirty hands on jamba - and I don't think jamba could use his "help" at all - jamba is great as is and while there's been a tiny slowdown lately in updates because jafula had real life things to take care of - it still works very very well, including with 3.1 so not sure what sam is trolling about there

[keyclone]

new thread created to help people understand the situation better. the top posts will be edited as more info comes along.

link: *Douche Bags* banned members and why

please refer people to that thread if they ever ask.

[Sam DeathWalker]

You are supporting someone who is out to screw people over and could give two shits about the actual players of the game we all love so much.

The owner of this site, the writer of Jamba and Keyclone are making basically zero for their efforts. All these products could be improved if they had money coming in that would allow them to spend more time on what they love and less time on what they do to make money.

Improved products benifit all wow players.

You prefer these people to have no income from their labors on WoW? Do you have a faster or better way for them to generate cash, or you feel that no one should make money from WoW except Blizzard (I note you don't claim that Blizzard is evil for makeing a profit).

All these things he is accused of are underhanded business tactics used by Bill Gates and Intel and tons of other sucessfull individuals and compainies.

Only the really really stupid overlook benificial business opportunity based upon who you are dealing with.

Do you agree or deny that TS is good at marketing? If he is good then why not partner with the best?

Or at any rate start up some kind of revenue stream somehow from someplace.

Who would claim that if Jamba programer put in 1000 hours more that Jamba would not be a super kick ass product way way better then it is now?

People have to eat, provide Jafula with the money to take care of needs and then time would open up for more programing.

TS is not out to "screw people over" he out to maximize his income even at the expense of others. But if you tie your income to his income then you have a tiger working for you.

Although some would prefer to be broke and just work when they want, well fine. But don't cry big tears when the "money guy who screws people over" just pays another programer to write product better then yours.

No one can pay me to say anything cause I have more money then most anyone who plays wow......