The d-b.com Community

[Vecter]

Obviously I have not been apart of this community for very long, or at least havent participated in many discussions, but I do have a concern. Perhaps it isn't much of one to be concerned with but it definitely appears to be an ongoing saga. Maybe I should just stfu

There are definite subjects not allowed on d-b.com and one is in regards to Tim Sullivan, who was banned because software he previously created actually violated Blizzards TOS/Eula. For obvisous reasons we can not support something like this as it could impact all of us in a negative way. Blizzard can easily come down on the community and say no more. Protecting the community is vital. However at the same time it becomes difficult to engage in discussions on other blogs, sites, forums, etc because a "he said/she said" begins and the flames start up. It either increases because of malicious posting (same person posting as multiple people) or facts are stretched to fit in the current perspective. I would feel we all could agree that this doesnt help our cause. Does it? A smaller concern is that it also doesnt help that one of our moderators is a developer of the most prominant software on this site. Completely justified as he helps pay the bills. But we must be careful as many perceptions could be easily manipulated that this site is run by Keyclone and therefore is biased towards other software and any negative opinions about other software is just slander to help pad Keylones product.

I am not suggesting at all that Keyclone remove his menu button or remove himself as moderator, thats not the point nor subject of this post. What I am asking is if external discussions should be a concern of the community or we just drop it and not worry about it? Do we participate in those discussions to try and protect the community? How can we move this community forward in a positive and productive way?

There are some very strong opinions on this board, from hardware boxing to the software used. That is all acceptable as more options and opinons the better as long as the discussion is done productively. What do others feel?

And please I am not starting this thread to begin a flame war but an open and honest discussion.

Note: You can read this thread on Wow.com which you can see very strong negative opinions are expressed (http://www.wow.com/2009/06/26/multib...as-it-happens/ ) and really is what brings me to this posting.

[Kayley]

lol

it's actually a pretty good stream :P Too bad he was a bit of a ____ in the past.

But just dont worry about it. Nothing you can really do except .. go hardware

[Vecter]

To the OP -
You sound like one of Evilseed's minions.

Go look in the software forum - there is no bias here towards keyclone vs all of the FREE options. There are a bunch there. Way to create a "perceived" problem when there isn't on though.

Bottom line is Evilseed/Mousecloner/and his 30 other user names ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE. PERIOD. Anything else is.Is that really that hard to understand?

Why do many posts you make seem to encourage a flame war? At no time did I state any bias towards Keyclone, all I stated was it can be used as a bias in discussions such as the mentioned thread (which is was.) I even stated his presence on this site is completely justified. I totally understand Evilseed's banning on this site and I DID NOT STATE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. My concern was on OTHER sites that multiboxing is discussed and a negative perception is given to d-b.com should that be a concern as we want to promote a positive opinion about multiboxing in general.

Is that hard to understand?

[zanthor]

Go look in the software forum - there is no bias here towards keyclone vs all of the FREE options. There are a bunch there. Way to create a "perceived" problem when there isn't on though.

This is absolutely correct - Robs never said boo at a free product.

It took a LOT of discussion, and a LOT of work on many peoples parts to get IS and ISBoxer approved for discussion here. I can honestly say that I've questioned Robs motivations many times in the time I've been a member here, and I've always thought his being a moderator here was a poor decision for the community.

[Gadzooks]

To the OP -
You sound like one of Evilseed's minions.

Go look in the software forum - there is no bias here towards keyclone vs all of the FREE options. There are a bunch there. Way to create a "perceived" problem when there isn't on though.

Bottom line is Evilseed/Mousecloner/and his 30 other user names ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE. PERIOD. Anything else is.Is that really that hard to understand?

Why do many posts you make seem to encourage a flame war? At no time did I state any bias towards Keyclone, all I stated was it can be used as a bias in discussions such as the mentioned thread (which is was.) I even stated his presence on this site is completely justified. I totally understand Evilseed's banning on this site and I DID NOT STATE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. My concern was on OTHER sites that multiboxing is discussed and a negative perception is given to d-b.com should that be a concern as we want to promote a positive opinion about multiboxing in general.

Is that hard to understand?

I watched his stream yesterday while doing some other things - that guy is a piece of work. He's completely full of himself, lies about his exeriences multiboxing (he's been playing "forever", but gets lost in every instance he goes in, and has no CLUE about abilities and classes), and he even went off on a little tirade about this site, and how the mods are "paid to promote KeyClone". Yeah, suuuure, Tim.

He's also promising the moon and stars with his website, pretty much claiming he'll have as much content as here - I would keep an eye out and make sure he doesn't copy and paste anything from here - and those who are posting stuff, put a sig line in that forbids copying under copyright laws. (It'll be another thing he'll never get to - he doesn't even have system requirements on his page, and is refusing to answer any questions like "Does this work in Windows 7?" (it doesn't seem to).

My biggest problem is that he is not allowing ANY discussion of other sites and other software in his stream, it's so one-sided it's ridiculous, and he's making claims about multiboxing that are simply not true - like how he's made "hundreds of thousands of gold" in instances, how easy it is, how hunters are the best teams, blah blah blah. He has some skills, but the issue is that he babbles endlessly while he's casting, and he spews nonsense. He claims his software is compliant, but he has not gotten an official thumbs up from Blizzard, and there are a few features that make me leery of risking my accounts. The software itself (which he hints he did not write, he hired others) seems okay, has some nice features, but I refuse to give him a dime, just for how he acted here.

Our biggest task here is to make sure any of the crap he's spewing about this site and any other are not believed, and countered when possible. We have an awesome community here and a wealth of information that is invaluable, and I don't want to see him become the "face of multiboxing".

[Niley]

Seriously can threads about that asshole stop popping up? Is this his minions trying to promote him?
This guy is not only terrible at boxing, he has no clue about classes or the game. On top of that his software is overpriced piece of shit(and no Im not biased, I would pick any other software or even hardware boxing, over his software).
I agree with all the things that were said about him, Ive seen the discussion, his retarded secret emails etc.
Lets be done with this already.
And to OP, nice way trying to promote wow.com and his stuff through this, even if its not allowed, hope You get the banhammer.

[Enndo]

Who cares what people on other sites say. There is a good old saying "Dont argue with idiots on the internet, theyll drag you down to their level and win with experience". And to the OP after recent posts that go on and on about this and similar subjects you shouldnt have started this post.

[Sajuuk]

Wow...witch hunt much?

Although I do find it relatively suspicious that a 'newbie' would start a discussion on Senor Seed, when I'm sure you can find perfectly valid responses by (gasp) the search feature!

Where's my pitchfork?

Well...that's taken care of.

edit: /puts pitchfork away.

[Vecter]

Wow pour on the gasoline and light the match to the newbie. I am amazed that a completely innocent question turned into a nice flame session. Is is expected that anyone new to have the knowledge and experience of someone who has been part of this community for much longer? Is it not expected to have questions or perhaps show concern if you come across stuff like the wow.com thread? My only concern here is with outside perception of d-b.com and what should/could be done, if anything. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously that was a mistake and I should just shut the hell up.

BTW just mentioning someone does not equal promoting (especially the fact that I said nothing positive about him) and to take it completely out of context and spin it that way is wrong.

Since I cant delete or lock this thread, I would suggest a mod lock or remove it as the intended purpose is lost.

Edit: BTW if you read the comments on the wow.com post you will notice that Svpernova tried to respond to it but got toasted numerous times, hence my concern and the start of this post. (I am fully aware that many of the posts on that thread could have been easily done by 1 person)

[Niley]

You can easily edit first post just like you did to your last one and delete everything You said.