[How-to] 5x Paladins Disscusion

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Ok so my paladins are 80 and lets just say i'm none too impressed. I run 1 prot and 4 ret, they are wearing mostly deadly gear (did close to 100 AV victories on each /wrists) and I can so far only kill Trollgore and the last guy in Draktheron. Granted they are only using De-Rage Waraxe for the main and I am actively searching for Titansteel Destroyers (no one makes these anymore), but the dps leaves a lot to be desired. Trollgore takes 1min20secs to kill which is 4 x slower than my shaman (who are obviously more geared). However the problem I am running into is mana.

Take the frost boss for example. I get him down to about 120k and my guys are OOM. Everyone. Including the prot because his only heals are from Divine Storm (which is really all he needs.) So I switched all slaves to the glyph that gives 8% mana back when you judge with Seal of Command active. (Used to use the glyph that gave 12 expertise when using Seal of Vindication.) Even using this they are still running oom. It's frustrating really. How do they expect this class to play if they are always oom?

I run the Niley's superlong macro for Ret PvE dpsing and I also use Divine Shield/Divine Sacrifice on round robin to reduce group damage. At this point I am considering shelving the paladin group and going back full time to 5xshaman for pvp slaughter. Oh and that's another thing. Holy crap can mages kite the everliving shit out of your group and thats with DS, Hand of Freedom, Cleanse. I F*cking hate mages. They make you look so stupid.

Anyways, I just wanted to say I wasnt expecting awesomesauce from the getgo, but considering most of my gear is ileve213 and three have i226 helms(PvE BoE), I just dont really see how it can get much better. Maybe using pvp gear aint all that and that's my problem. They need more mana regen as a group and I just dont see how it can get any better than the judgement talent + the glyph.

p.s. mad props to the guy who used 5 paladins to down H ToC. I see now how truly insane that is.

p.p.s. anyone notice that paladins are mad aggro? Halfway through fight Im having to taunt shit off them and this is with a 35k unbuffed health tank. I shouldnt have that much trouble. Yes I have the right ret talents, it's the same cookie cutter one everyone takes.