Emblems of Conquest from Heroic Dungeons?

[falsfire3401]

But wow has changed alot from back when it started too. The hardcore group is tiny only like 3-5% and everyone else is casual gamers and so I completely understand blizzards point on making it easier. Even myself, I have nothing to bitch about, because I'm casual now. I don't have 6-10 hours a night to dedicate to wow or any games for that matter.

So it's kind of nice that gear is cake. :P

QFT. I used to be a hardcore 40-man raider back in the MC/BWL/AQ40/Naxx days. Just about lost my marriage because of it, and we had a kid on the way. Now that I'm a dad and a better husband (ie I play ALOT less), I like that WOW is catering to the casual players more.

My guild raids either/or Ulduar/Naxx 2 days a week for 3-3.5 hours. That's a perfect schedule for a laid-back family man like me, and because I rerolled on a server in a timezone 2 hours behind me the start times are late enough I can get the boy into bed before raid start time

[Ualaa]

Ya.. it's all relative.

Back in my EQ days, my "casual" guild would raid 6 hours a night, four nights a week.
Some of my friends were in "hard core" guilds who raided 8 hours a night, six nights a week.

These days, I'd probably consider most wow guilds that put in 24 hrs a week towards progression to be hard core.
Maybe not necessarily a top 5 guild across all servers, but definitely able to defeat all content fairly quickly.
My current guild raids 4 hrs on Tue/Thu and 2 hrs on Sun, and since the start of BC has basically seen everything.

[TheBigBB]

But wow has changed alot from back when it started too. The hardcore group is tiny only like 3-5% and everyone else is casual gamers and so I completely understand blizzards point on making it easier. Even myself, I have nothing to bitch about, because I'm casual now. I don't have 6-10 hours a night to dedicate to wow or any games for that matter.

So it's kind of nice that gear is cake. :P

Even with the gear being easier to get in general, the amount of time you need to put in is still a lot compared to most games. It also doesn't help that you are never at the top for long. If you gear up to the best possible stuff and take a year off, you'll come back having total crap for gear, unable to even participate in the high-end stuff.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Even with the gear being easier to get in general, the amount of time you need to put in is still a lot compared to most games.

Hmm. Maybe my experiences were different from yours. I remember in DAoC doing Tuscaren Glacier raids that took 2 hours. And some ML raids would go for 90 minutes, intermission, then another 90 minutes. The only raid I remember going on that was quick was the DF Prince raids. Ah, for the days of playing an MMO without arbitrary limits on attendees. If you wanted to 8-man a dragon, you could and have a much better chance at getting loot. Or if you were casual, you could tag along on the 80-man raids and usually end up with some seals or something about once a week.

I'm not sure which I like better, as DAoC felt like a much more social game and much less "exclusive" for high-end content. I actually got to see all of the raid content in DAoC except for ML8-10 as a pure casual.

[Redbeard]

I feel super dumb for asking this (sorry).. havent gotten too much into the 5 man end game of WoW in WOTLK, been distracted.

So let me see if I have this right. Pre-Ulduar raid bosses drop emblems that you can turn in for gear. Heroic dungeons bosses drop emblems as well, but for not-as-good gear. 3.2 is upgrading the drops from heroic dungeon bosses to the pre-ulduar raid emblem level?

[Zaelar]

Not the equipment, just the emblems that they drop. They are changing to the current highest emblem(drops in normal ulduar 25 and hard mode ulduar 10).