is there a reason why loads of people are gimping themselves by using focustarget instead of targettarget?

[olipcs]

targettarget is quicker when your main is changing targets

if this is realy the case (and honestly I can't tell, because I never have used a focus-approach), I would realy like to know, why it is quicker, so if you can give me some hint where to look its realy appreciated...

[Simulacra]

targettarget is quicker when your main is changing targets

if this is realy the case (and honestly I can't tell, because I never have used a focus-approach), I would realy like to know, why it is quicker, so if you can give me some hint where to look its realy appreciated...

I'd love to know as well, been researching it but I'm unable to find a discussion - possibly look in the archives here. It's really noticeable on high latency connections (me at 430-450) when using focustarget and I switch target my shammies continue to fire on the old target for a second or so then switch. I'm guessing its all down to what focustarget is really for. As far as I'm aware the whole pupose of focus was for secondary targeting functions like cc and heals to the mt while your dpsing the actual target.

[Julgas]

I'm using something like :
/assist [target=focus,help][target=party1]

This way, when i use a 5-man group (99% of the time), i just have one touch to press to change the leader.
3 key in one on a G15 macro (yeah, i know it's bad, but...) :
the first is a macro /jamba setmeasmaster all with a do-not-pass-key on keyclone.
the second is a macro who set my page bar to the second action bar on all character
and the third set my page bar to one, it's a do-not-pass-key so it's only for my main.

This way, i have only one key to press, and my current windows is my new main character.

And on battlegroups or raid, i just use the focus.

[Otlecs]

I'm using something like : [...]

All of which is many, many times more complex than the scheme proposed under the No-Focus Manifesto

You don't need to actively switch anything.
You don't need to use multiple action bars(!!!).
You don't need do-not-pass lists.
You don't need to break the ToS by having your G-15 generate three separate keystrokes for a single press.

The more I think about this (and it's the first time I've really thought about it in well over a year) the more I think Sim's onto something here. You guys are gimping yourself!

Just kidding. Probably.

Over the years, I really think people have over-complicated what is actually a very, very simple process.

[Simulacra]

The more I think about this (and it's the first time I've really
thought about it in well over a year) the more I think Sim's onto
something here. You guys are gimping yourself!



Just kidding. Probably.



Over the years, I really think people have over-complicated what is actually a very, very simple process.

woo hoo! 1 down - a multitude to go
yes, definitely. we need to get back to basics. I've even thought about reduction even further to basic assist wondering what the performance would be like...any thoughts anyone? How does /assist compare to targettarget or focustarget for ease of macro writing, performance and brain death?

julgas: your method makes my brain hurt

[heffner]

I'll give this a shot. I currently don't have much issues with my current set up, but I can see saving that time lag being beneficial in some situations.

I am now thinking that I should go through all the posts on this forum from it's inception.

[Jubber]

Well this is kinda the same as min/maxing.

The use of focus in your macro's allows the basic joe the quickest and easiest route for multiboxing. As we get further along in our boxing adventures we find things that help us improve our play. Whether that means we move onto an FTL setup or a more quick response type setup for things like PVP where less lag for target switching can mean worlds of difference.

I see it much along the lines of the available software as well. Starting off Keyclone is awesome. DL, buy it and start multiboxing. Then you may choose to move onto other software that might meet your needs a little more. Hotkeynet, innserspace, Octopus.

To each his own but that's just how I view it.

[Owltoid]

I use an FTL setup. I prefer this method because it leaves the focus target available for CC. Before approaching a group in PvE (or if you're stealthed like us druids before approaching a team in PvP) then you can set up your focus targets for each slave. From then on, whenever you hit your "mass CC" button you will find all your slaves casting at their appropriate CC target. If you didn't have focus available to do this, then I'm not sure how CCing the middle of a battle would be possible.

[zanthor]

As the author of the Leaderless/Targetless - Focus Based Hydra system and a user of the FTL system under Innerspace and a previous user of a targettarget based system I can tell you that I like the FTL the best.

When I was using Focus Based Hydra I ran into problems with my mages and being able to CC. Focus was taken obviously so I worked my CC around target based macros and it worked but wasn't as reliable as I'd have liked. All said and done it was frustrating to try and utilize.

The FTL system is VERY reliable, however it requires a significant amount of setup that I'd never have done without ISBoxers native support of it. The way I have it setup now is flawless, works in and out of vehicles, and has absolutely no drawbacks for me... the ONLY issue I ever have is when one of the clients (or all) get a chat box open, but tahts going to bugger ANY system since chat boxes eat keystrokes.

[Caspian]

Leveling my shaman team I am using a very simple focus based system

1 macro
/focus <leader name>
/assist focus

cast normal spells, not in macro

Pros
Setup time was under 1 minute
no thinking involved
if I want to CC or DPS one thing while main is doing something else just target one mash macro main targets new mob
Cons
have to hit the one macro everytime I change targets and want to move DPS
not flexible at all

This will not be enough to PvP or run harder instances - works fine in UK at 68-70.

Now when i was playing my warlocks I tried a focus system and an assist system and they were both much slower the my FTL set up ended up making - I actually documented the process here Warlock & Priest Macro. This was my very first team, ever so there were some thing I missed or would do differently now - so be nice. We actually had a bit of a discussion on FTL vs Focus in my thread too.
My play style was dot dot dot run, new target - dotting as many targets as I could at a time. Before I went FTL on these guys I would often have an alt refresh dot #1 or start with dot #2 on the new mob with dot#1 going into the nether. Of course RAF was announced shortly after I made the group and they were abandoned.

So I think it boils down to what you are doing, how you are doing it and how much time you want to invest in your set up - at least to just get playing.
I think FTL is mandatory for any serious PvP or anytime where you have to switch targets fast all the time.
Focus is easier to set up.