thanks for the info guys. changed my setup a little now. I keep SoL on all and got JoL on 2 of my toons, and 1 JoW and 1 JoJ on the others. still goin with 2 JoLs incase one happens to miss, then i still have a chance for the other to land. Been tryin my hand at enemies at higher levels than me with 1 prot and 3 rets runnin both in instances and outside of them. so far i've managed to take on enemies at about 8 lvls higher than myself in the red but barely case my hits still miss alot when they're too high. I've run Stocks and SM Library so far with them and cleared them two. Gonna try the rest of SM soon and maybe grind them a while if I do well. Will post screenshots when i get a chance. I'm gonna redo my ui setup and everything, so I'll post after that.