Im not sure why you keep brining theese treads up but i disagree.

Sorry the game would be plain retarded if 5 dps could make theyr way up in 5v5.

I got 4 shamans and there is not a singel class in the game i cant blow up, the problem now is surviving the damage afterwards. If you do retarded things like sending your instant flameshocks+LvB into a paladin who got divine protection you will lose though. I mean i can kill DK's with bone shield up and 30k hp with motw in seconds. (Not when they are in frost presence though)

As far as i know its no point doing arena if your not planning to reach atleast 1300 rating and buy some deadly gear. The Hateful set is gained only trought honor..

Saying that there is no difference between hateful and furiouse is just BS, the upgrade from hateful to furiouse is bigger then savage to hatefull. Ive been trying to upgrade my offset pices from hateful to furiouse and its 20 stamina, 15 sp, 10 critt and 10-12 resillience. 10 pices of furiouse means 2000 more hp, 150 spellpower, 100 critt rating and 100-120 resillience.

If you played the first week you would have realised how easy the rating was since all pve'ers was doing uludar and the 5v5 brackett was full of blue geared nub cakes.

There are certainly burst problems though and its like hitting a wall but its far from impossible to reach 1800-1900 if your a decent player. Hell aelli almost reach 2k rating last seson and i must say i have NO clue how he did it.

I played against the best 5v5 who plays warrior,mage,ele shaman,priest and holy paladin. I nearly won them both times but the mage survived with 200 hp wich would never happened if i had the deadly gloves on my slaves with spellpenetration gems! There is no doubt that cleave teams rule pretty much everything now and its not realy hard to play or in need of and cc at all.